Mr. Johnson
If you go up this thread and re read it you will find that you jumped right past my use of the term "average".
Yes, but with an education, you don't need an excuse
> You are sorely confused on what someone learns in a "Quality" Engineering problem. You make take Calculus, Physics, Chemistry etc. but you don't graduate without developing an ability to SOLVE PROBLEMS.
Actually, all of that tends to be true, but the most important thing that an education confers upon a surveyor is an immunity from the complex of inferiority that seems to hound so many surveyors through their lives who haven't much formal education.
If you get an education, chances are you'll be able to pass for an educated person and won't forever have to be making up BS excuses for why you can't write English.
Yes, but with an education, you don't need an excuse
"complex of inferiority" is so true. It seems like a lot of surveyors who lack the college degree have a chip on their shoulder about the degree requirement, when the subject is really a no-brainer when you are talking about the betterment of the profession.
Yes, but with an education, you don't need an excuse
Kent
I even caught my typos.
I don't know, Kent
If you don't have good language skills by the time you graduate from high school, chances are you're not going to go to college anyway and if you do go, you're probably going to flunk out pretty quickly which is not going to help in the self-esteem area. At least where I went to school, remedial English was not an option. I probably sound to some like I'm anti-education but really, I've known people with very little education and poor language skills that I consider among the most intelligent people I've met, and they don't necessarily feel inferior to the more educated people, either.
I don't know, Kent
> I probably sound to some like I'm anti-education but really, I've known people with very little education and poor language skills that I consider among the most intelligent people I've met, and they don't necessarily feel inferior to the more educated people, either.
Well, I think the odds are against an uneducated person not having an inferiority complex.
Yes, but with an education, you don't need an excuse
> It seems like a lot of surveyors who lack the college degree have a chip on their shoulder about the degree requirement, when the subject is really a no-brainer when you are talking about the betterment of the profession.
Yes, that's what it boils down to isn't it? Do you want the next generation of surveyors to be on the whole more capable and competent than the last or not? I vote for capacity and competence and education certainly seems to be a good filter toward that end.
Yes, but with an education, you don't need an excuse
At best, it seems, that Mr Johnson is on the fence on this issue.
I don't know, Kent
Many engineers don't have that much of an appreciation for what surveyors know and do, and many surveyors do not have an appreciation for what engineers know and do. I do both, and in my opinion the complexity of the math and principles associated with civil engineering degree seem almost infinitely more complex than the math and principles of land boundary surveying. But that surely does not mean that an engineering graduate is smarter than a surveyor. Any professional in a specialty may not know as much about things outside of his specialty.
One thing I think I have noticed is that professional surveyors who are "hands-on" seem to have a lot of common sense. While most engineers have a lot of common sense, I can recall the guy at the top of our engineering class who called me one night when his TI-52 calculator battery went down to ask me if he should plug it in to the wall charger that came with it. They guy was majoring in electrical engineering! Sometimes I wonder if he'd have graduated with his 4.0 if I had told him not to plug that calculator in.
Kent
> > I probably sound to some like I'm anti-education but really, I've known people with very little education and poor language skills that I consider among the most intelligent people I've met, and they don't necessarily feel inferior to the more educated people, either.
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> Well, I think the odds are against an uneducated person not having an inferiority complex.
That was probably one of the driving factors of me going back to school. That and I hate not finishing anything.
