survey
- 1400, "to consider, contemplate," from Anglo-French surveier, Old French sorveoir "look (down) at, look upon, notice; guard, watch," from Medieval Latin supervidere "oversee, inspect," from Latin super "over" (see super-) + videre "to see" (from PIE root *weid- "to see"). Meaning "examine the condition of" is from mid-15c. That of "to take linear measurements of a tract of ground" is recorded from 1540s. Related: Surveyed; surveying; surveyance (late 14c.).
That's funny- when I told kids that my dad surveyed when I was little both my friends AND their parents asked if he went door to door. Pretty sure the curb appeal on that one is pretty lackluster.
To quote the California PLS Act (your mileage may vary):
8751. Representing self as licensed
No person shall represent himself or herself as, or use the title of, or any abbreviation or combination of the words in the title of, professional land surveyor, licensed land surveyor, land surveyor, land survey engineer, survey engineer, geodetic engineer, geomatics engineer, or geometronic engineer unless he or she is the holder of a valid, unsuspended, and unrevoked license.
At the end of the day law is what holds, whether people have their gripes or not.
Side note: geomatics engineer is an acceptable title according to the above.
Another example of adopting/misusing a word to elevate an activity. Polsters know that calling their product a survey elevates it apparent dignity.
What your children had heard called serving is accurately named polling.
A poll takes a sample (a good poll tries to make it a representative same) from which to EXtrapolate a result.
A survey has theoretical access to all the data from which a true representation is selected from which results may be INterpolated.
NEVER answer a poll if it is introduced as a survey without correcting the pollster!
NEVER answer a poll if it is introduced as a survey without correcting the pollster!
I'll jump in a time machine and tell my 5-year-old self that.
Thank you.
That is an excellent example of how easily the ignorant (in this case politicians and their appointees) are gullible to outside persuaders; similar to the pollsters who successfully call themselves surveyors.
Another example of adopting/misusing a word to elevate an activity. Polsters know that calling their product a survey elevates it apparent dignity.
What your children had heard called serving is accurately named polling.
A poll takes a sample (a good poll tries to make it a representative same) from which to EXtrapolate a result.
A survey has theoretical access to all the data from which a true representation is selected from which results may be INterpolated.
Come on man, this is so made up. I mean, you're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own definitions.
Thank you.
You're not welcome, given how you're cherry-picking the living daylights out of others' statements.
Listen (or README if you'd like to be pedantic): you can dislike certain terminology used by a vast majority of the profession if that's what makes you happy. BUT... I frankly don't care how right you think you are. Technically speaking your point of view isn't the end-all-be-all, nor is it codified.
Right? I only cite the sources of my points made. If you prefer not to, it's your choice.
Nice cartoon. Pictures are said to save lots of words 😉 (My emoji can't compete.)
Do me a favor please, and note that the definitions I use aren't mine but have been carefully cited for precedence. Like finding the evidence needed to determine the correct monument when one finds a pincushion.
NEVER answer a poll if it is introduced as a survey without correcting the pollster!
Wait, wait, wait....do you seriously try and correct anyone using the work "survey" to refer to work other than licensed land surveying?
I'd say that's a whole new level of pedantry, but generally pedants are simply concerned with attention to detail, not with forcing others to accept their own version of reality.
I get that you don't like the term geomatics - but your own definition of "survey" as you posted above encompasses many more things than licensed land surveying.
Not to mention that the definition of professional land surveying differs from state to state...
Primarily sourcing a dictionary is a rather shallow display- especially when following up and providing such a narrow-minded definition of "engineering" to support your personal opinion. The profession evolves daily, whether you wish to evolve with it or not.
Thank you. I realize a dictionary is old school. I will consider Google or ChatGPT next time.
Thank you. I realize a dictionary is old school. I will consider Google or ChatGPT next time.
How about you consider the efforts of the professional community (ABET, FIG, and the like) in attempting to elevate the profession instead? This has become less of a debate and more of a case of pearl-clutching.
I have worked for decades in or with such organizations; checked off that box.
The notion of "elevating" or not is the point. Once all the proposed alternatives were recognized to be part of the profession. The new "definitions" all tend to subserve the profession to a new thing.
Preserving the "elevation" is the goal.
