[sarcasm]no, Carlson only works in smoots[/sarcasm]l
Seriously, I can answer one of those questions, you can change the scale factor, report factor etc. they are not locked.
I am an Engineering Surveyor in New Zealand, the small firm I work for uses Autodesk Civil 3D (Infrastructure Design Suite), Architecture design suite, LT etc. We are Civil, Structural and Environmental Engineers.
My observation is that most licensed cadastral surveyors use 12D model. I believe it was originally developed for surveying.
In either case the software is used with add on functionality to enable electronic survey dealing the Land Information New Zealand's Land Online. All plans/data is submitted Online.
12D Model is sold in modules, so you can buy what you need at the time. Although to compare similar functionality with Civil 3D the purchase and subscription costs would be similar.
Sending data between 12 Model and Civil 3D is usually difficult and latest releases don't have the add on compatibility applications. And not everyone with 12D Model has the Land XML export module, or wants to buy it.
Note I had not heard of Carlson Software until 15 months ago when looking at GNSS equipment and the South S82V when tried and subsequently purchased had SurvCE on the survey controller. I have investigated moving to Carlson Civil Suite as it would save subscription costs and may be better suited to our work. It is difficult to walk away from the commonly used software in any area, to a virtual unknown.
For most of us we used SDR Mapping & Design developed by Datacom Software Research in New Zealand and later purchased by Trimble. We could go along to training courses and talk to the developer/programmer and discuss what we wanted from the software and see the functions added to the next release, magic.
> Are the drawing setup parameters things that are locked in once the drawing is begun?
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They are locked in until you change them, but they are editable at any time.
> How is input handled in a drawing compiled in a projection with SF other than 1.000000? That is, if you want to input some record data, do you have the option of designating the scale factor to apply to it when generating drawing entities?
I've not found a way to do this but that doesn't mean that it does not exist. Most often, if I'm working with survey data (such as from a plat or description) I draw it on the side at 1 and then scale the geometry by my combined scale factor and move it into place.
Maybe Kris has a better answer to this. My experience with drawing plats in SPC is somewhat limited.
no there no tripod bypod its just about 12 inches tall saucer looking no battery no little black entenna.Just bare bones unit. nobody anywhere. i live on road in the country 4 houses on the entire 1 mile rd. the rest is farmland. anyway any advice?
call local law enforcement.
> For most of us we used SDR Mapping & Design developed by Datacom Software Research in New Zealand and later purchased by Trimble. We could go along to training courses and talk to the developer/programmer and discuss what we wanted from the software and see the functions added to the next release, magic.
I actually still use an SDR33 and have always assumed that the reason the firmware is so well designed for land surveying purposes is the high standard of surveying in NZ for which the developers designed the product.
Hello Kent,
Another Civilcad (now Topcon Magnet office) user here.
Some people I know do calcs in Civilcad and export to AutoCAD, but I draft my cadastral plans in the Civilcad drawing editor. It is easy to use and can use true type fonts which weren't previously available to V5.x.
There is a good chance that a lot of the plans you are seeing were drafted in Civilcad as the market share breaks down approximately (based in 155 respondents to survey in NSW):
Civilcad 43%
Landmark 17%
CDS 9%
Geosurvey 8%
12D 6%
I recommend it anyway.
Cheers.
In the Carlson raw editor you can set your scale factor as you want to process the data into Carlson .
Or if you choose to process in survnet you can process SPC or local system.
survnet allows you to export in spc or ground or both .
Our own shortfalls are usually the causes of our frustrations when dealing with software.
As we develop our skills, the items of our wish list ("how come that software don't do that") start to appear as our key strokes get more solid. Those options were there all along. Our mind was in the way.
Load the C&G module, key in the input scale factor of your choice, enter your data. That's one way.
> As we develop our skills, the items of our wish list ("how come that software don't do that") start to appear as our key strokes get more solid. Those options were there all along. Our mind was in the way.
LOL! Sorry, no sale. By that theory, there is no such thing as crappy software and that is obviously untrue. The simple matter of something as elementary as the application of scale factors is an excellent example. It isn't as if it's a new problem at all. It's existed for more than twenty-five years.
There is crappy software, indeed. The one you are complaining about isn't.
> There is crappy software, indeed. The one you are complaining about isn't.
So, can you apply a scale factor to design distances input to it to generate drawing elements on a map projection with SF other than 1.000000? For example, in plotting the record shapes of parcels, one should be able to apply some average project CSF to the record data to generate the record shape of the parcel on the map projection.
G'day Kent:
I come from the era of the protractor, parallel rule and a dipped Gillotts 303 nib.
I taught survey drafting at technical college here in Melbourne, Australia in the last 20 years of my working life.
Thought you might be interested in the local surveying and drafting standards.
Survey Practice Handbook
Comes in 3 parts:
1. Drawing Practice
2. Surveying Procedures
3. Land Surveying Law and Administration
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Regards from OZ
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I do not know. Someone with more experience will have to chime in or you will have to explore.
I looked a bit about the input/output scale factor a while back out of curiosity, did not get too far, no use for it in my work.
> I come from the era of the protractor, parallel rule and a dipped Gillotts 303 nib.
> I taught survey drafting at technical college here in Melbourne, Australia in the last 20 years of my working life.
> Thought you might be interested in the local surveying and drafting standards.
Thanks very much for those references. I'm not eager to return to the era of hand drafting, but I'm glad to have had the experience. Am I right in thinking that monopitch fonts are fairly common in Australian plan drafting standards?
Monospace fonts are not the norm.
The one we recommended to students for survey plans was ISOCP.
The resolution here makes the curves a bit rough but it plots OK.
You have stirred your South Australian surveyor.....
Kent Go no further than to download the current version of Liscad. You get 14 days free evaluation. If you mention my name they will halve the time. Seriously they will extend. Must realise that with out the dongle the entry front end is a tad clunky.
But you have all US surveying projections and can set up a zone and work adding data in plane coordinates as the data base is in projection scale . so can out put coordinates for a job as local plane by applying a local scale factor ( ideal for small cadastral jobs) or you can out put coordinates in grid system (ideal for GPS )work.
Comes with a cad package that out puts to plane distances ideal for boundary and local engineering work.
Has a number of additional functions like orienting and rescaling images, a basic point cloud program, adjustments , Cad package lacks macros. When started apart from autocad nothing around. I still use it as it saved me buying and learning autocad. These days you can export and import autocad drawings. Designed by Melbourne surveyors for surveyors. Taken up as Leica flagship.
I started in 1990 when DOS modules for calcs and drafting and have every job on my laptop as the storage has bloomed. Other important fact is it is fully Microsoft compliant.
Have to say my point numbering system that I originally devised is still the same as served me so well. Will take awhile to set up point codes etc as you can also attach drafting out put as well. Font out put unlimited as access all Windows fonts. Just go on line , down load and play. Ring me on skype ....
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> > There is crappy software, indeed. The one you are complaining about isn't.
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> So, can you apply a scale factor to design distances input to it to generate drawing elements on a map projection with SF other than 1.000000? For example, in plotting the record shapes of parcels, one should be able to apply some average project CSF to the record data to generate the record shape of the parcel on the map projection.
Yes.