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 Paul
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Here's the situation:

We are required to put a length of curve on all of our curve labels (on the curve itself, not just in the curve table). They don't care if the tag number is on it or not (just so long as they can figure out which curve we're talking about), so around here there is also a method to label curves by Lot Number (keyed to the length of curve). On tight subdivisions, it would save one line of text, which would be huge on 27' wide lots.

Is there any way to do this quickly in C3D? I wouldn't think it would be too difficult, since I've defined parcels for all my lots, and they already know all the curves. I just can't seem to find a way to do it.

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Paul

 
Posted : March 17, 2011 8:16 am
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You may be able to use (From the Annotate menu) Add Label -> Parcel -> Multiple Segment -> (Your Curve Length Style) to do what you want. The only additional step is that you have to select each parcel individually compared to selecting each curve segment individually. As usual you would have to drag and flip the labels to avoid any overlaps.

 
Posted : March 17, 2011 9:32 am
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I should probably clarify a bit and say that I am trying to make a curve table that lists curves by lot number and then by curve length, with only the curve length shown on the actual curve (no curve number).

Here is a link to what I am talking about:
http://web5.co.clackamas.or.us/ifbroker/surveyor/4061-p3.pdf

Some of the curves are by curve number (centerline or those otherwise not tied to a lot or tract number). The rest are defined by lot number and curve length.

As I said, it would be nice for smaller plats, since we are required to have at least the curve length shown on the line, and the rest of the curve can be in a table.

Thanks,

Paul

 
Posted : March 17, 2011 12:08 pm
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For me the C3D curve tag labeling and curve tables are kind of a PITA, especially renumbering them.
What version are you using? I am using 2008, I don't know if they have made any improvements since then.

I know that you can select the individual curve tag number, change its style to length and it will still retain its curve number. I don't know if it will keep it in the table though. However, that doesn't allow you to annotate them all at once, you have to change each one individually.

I will look at it some more tomorrow.

 
Posted : March 17, 2011 3:50 pm
 Paul
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I'm using C3D 2011. I'll give your suggestion a try. Thanks!

 
Posted : March 17, 2011 6:26 pm
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I think that I've got a solution for you Paul. It requires that you add the curve labels to each lot in order, and then add the table. You can select all labels that have the same style to build the table, so as long as you've added them in the correct order the table will look mostly correct.

The problem is that the table must have the curve number in the first column instead of the lot number that you want. I used a piece of mtext with the background turned on over top of the curve number to fix this. The most annoying part of the workaround was that I would have to print off the table and then pan and zoom around the plan matching curve and lot numbers. Once that is done I can edit the label style to switch off the display of the tag numbers.

If you're interested then I can email you a sample drawing to show how I did it.

 
Posted : March 17, 2011 10:57 pm
 Paul
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Thanks Steve. I get your solution, and it will work. Sweet. I'm still hoping to find something dynamic, but this at least gets me started.

The only real time issue I see is when the client changes some of the lot lines, renames some of the lots, etc. before the plat records (in our state a plat recording is quite a process 1-3 years from first planning review to final recording for a large one). In these situations, a dynamic method would be nice.

I would have thought that it would be an easy thing to tell c3d that you wanted to group tags by lot number automatically (even if you use tag numbers), and changing tag numbers to lot number would be a pick box too.

C3D gives us just enough customization to hang ourselves, but not enough to reach the ground. Awesome. 🙁

 
Posted : March 18, 2011 8:15 am
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Well, to be fair, I've never seen a plat like this. It appears to be something that is not widely-used.

But here's a somewhat different method to achieve those results...

The "C" in the "C1", "C2", "C3", etc., comes from the Label Style. You can edit the Label Style to remove the "C".

So what I did was apply TWO labels to each curve, one containing just the distance, and the other containing just the tag. The I edited the Tag Label Styles to remove the "C", and also put the tag label on a non-printing layer. So the grey numbers on the curves only show up in modelspace, and do not show up in the printed output.

Net result is shown below. It's relatively dynamic, and easy to create.

 
Posted : March 18, 2011 12:07 pm
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Place the chord bearing and distance on all curves plus a table, sometimes need to include some arrows to keep it clear or show a blown up detail. When I was hand drafting, it was done that way, still do that way in cad.
jud

 
Posted : March 18, 2011 12:14 pm
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I tried something similar to what Sinc is doing, but then I ran into the problem on your example where there are multiple curves on one lot. The basic problem is that Civil 3D handles the labels for a lot separately from the labels for a lot line, and there is no way to use the values from one feature in the label for another one.

 
Posted : March 18, 2011 12:40 pm
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Do you mean like this? This was created the same way... It involved creating duplicate tag numbers, and C3D complained each time I created one, and I had to say "Yes, I actually *do* want to create duplicate tag numbers", but it worked.

 
Posted : March 18, 2011 1:23 pm
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Hi guys - I just went back and looked at this thread. Thanks so much for your suggestions. Very helpful!

 
Posted : March 23, 2011 7:31 pm