> We don't have BM's with notes furnished by cities around here. 🙂
Please tell us that is a comedic typo and that everybody doesn't just use 10,000;10,000;100.00. Especially the 100.00 part. Besides, don't youze guyz get them hurricane thingys around there in East Podunk. One would think the gobment orraficers and good ole home boy reviewers would like things to be relative to West Podunk or even Central Podunk.
Meanwhile, I'm with Mr PM and typically will cite the BM description verbatim from the source. If something looks goofy, I'll just add a note.
And whoever said above that "I consider all competitors as a possible reference" should receive an award. That's good stuff. 😉
> > We don't have BM's with notes furnished by cities around here. 🙂
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> Please tell us that is a comedic typo and that everybody doesn't just use 10,000;10,000;100.00. Especially the 100.00 part. Besides, don't youze guyz get them hurricane thingys around there in East Podunk. One would think the gobment orraficers and good ole home boy reviewers would like things to be relative to West Podunk or even Central Podunk.
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> Meanwhile, I'm with Mr PM and typically will cite the BM description verbatim from the source. If something looks goofy, I'll just add a note.
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> And whoever said above that "I consider all competitors as a possible reference" should receive an award. That's good stuff. 😉
If only it were a joke. My home town didn't participate in the flood study, but my home town also boasts being on the tallest point between the Gulf and the Red river, so not much flooding.
At times, we have used the published BM's for the town, but most of all of out design work was at 5k,5k,100.00. Call it what you will, but it works.
Now days we connect to the NSRS and use the OPUS elevations.
> .... so not much flooding.
Says the man belt deep in the swamp 😛
> > .... so not much flooding.
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> Says the man belt deep in the swamp 😛
That was in the Sabine River bottom, not Rusk. 🙂
I do love that picture though. 🙂
Wow. Must be nice though to not have to worry about datum issues. I can see some very serious problems, but who would ever want to start that spiral. Just move on and work within the scope.
Still, it does seem a bit odd in this newfangled era of gizmos, datums, and super measurerers to not get it all on the same page. Personally, I liked surveying better when the world was flat. So I'm a bit envious.
Meanwhile, Mr PM has an overly anal peer worrying about 20' calls to a bench mark he already found. Some things just don't ever make sense...
not to bust your chops or anything...
but was that grid north or geodetic north
> WOW! What a classy response Kent!
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> That's got to be the Post Of The Week!
Didn't mean Classic Kent Response?
😉
Dougie
I envision the guy (or his crew) having gone out with the notes and spending way too long looking for the monument. Especially if it was his crew spending a half a day rooting around for the benchmark. The crew is going to blame everyone but themselves for taking too long when the guy who pays their wage is confronting them about it.
I have found BM's that the NGS had said was on the north side of the road, and it was on the south, or estimated distances were wrong. Surveyors know or should know that they don't always have perfect descriptions.
In those cases (NGS Marks) you can correct the wrong calls on-line these days. They can add the correction on their data sheets. I doubt if many surveyors do that. I doubt that anyone at the City would care about updationg their descriptions, but it might be worth a call.
I do think the guy was overreacting about bustin' someone's chops from having a problem from several years ago over the location of a benchmark.
> Just north side of RR Bridge, 53.5 feet west of west flow line of Quebec St"
Maybe he was teed off because a RR Bull caught him lookin around in the RR ROW and was wanting you to chip in on the fine 😀
Oh I have lots of jobs that work on a host of datums. In fact, just this morning, I was asked to transform NAD83 Texas Central Coordinates to NAD27 Texas North-Central Coordinates because they didn't know how to adjust the parameters of their software. I've never, until today, reported NEGATIVE state plane coordinates, EVER. That and the scale was WAY off and WAY above the grid, but hey, what's a little distortion among co-workers and 10 million dollar gas wells right?
For design work, unless the scope requires it, I've never had an engineer request publishing to an actual datum (vertically speaking). Just the differential leveling process. It works, why fix it?
🙂
And besides, since that benchmark is evidently in Denver, Colorado, it's not as if the mark would ever be covered by snow like the 3 - 6 inches that fell recently in - wait, that was in Denver. Never mind.
"Ya bustin' my chops heah!" could reflect a challenge to one's
performance in meeting obligations in any of a number of important
roles."
My 2¢.
Now I think I get it. Kent gets my vote for funniest answer. (And, sort of ok one too)
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