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6th PM
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0.5 MILE WEST ALONG STATE HIGHWAY FROM, ROUTT COUNTY, 75 FEET NORTH OF THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF RANCH HOUSE, AND 47 FEET SOUTH OF THE CENTERLINE OF THE HIGHWAY, NE FLANGE OF FIRE HYDRANT = 6703.87'


 
Posted : March 24, 2011 10:01 pm
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> and I quote
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> 0.5 MILE WEST ALONG STATE HIGHWAY FROM, ROUTT COUNTY, 75 FEET NORTH OF THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF RANCH HOUSE, AND 47 FEET SOUTH OF THE CENTERLINE OF THE HIGHWAY, NE FLANGE OF FIRE HYDRANT = 6703.87'
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I do not think I would trust that TBM until I could verify it from other sources. Especially with 3 flanges showing.


 
Posted : March 24, 2011 11:31 pm
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That's easy, go with whatever bolt on whatever flange has the most fluorescent paint on it.;-) I don't know how many state highways exit Routt County in a westerly direction, but that could be another source of ambiguity.


 
Posted : March 24, 2011 11:58 pm
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Have your lovely assistant look for an "x" in any of the 20 north facing nuts.

Then run to the next bench.

Rick


 
Posted : March 25, 2011 3:24 am
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It sure does call for a level loop to be run to another BM.;-)


 
Posted : March 25, 2011 4:08 am

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The description doesn't even mention a "bolt" does it?


 
Posted : March 25, 2011 6:06 am
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Aside from the fact that that photo shows one of the major reasons one should never use a hydrant as a BM, no BM should be assumed correct until checked against at least one other BM.

In any event, the description should include the height above ground level, i.e., "the flange of a hydrant four feet above the level of the road shoulder....", or perhaps, "......the top flange of three...."

By the way, what does "the northeast flange" mean? Should it be "the northeast bolt"?


 
Posted : March 25, 2011 9:25 am
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Does snow get that deep that the FH has to have that booster pipe attached to it?

100:1 any part of the flange, take your pick, would be within 0.01' of being level. Maybe the author of the description mean North Edge insted of North East.


 
Posted : March 25, 2011 9:33 am
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What's wrong with your assistant's leg?


 
Posted : March 25, 2011 9:40 am
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> What's wrong with your assistant's leg?

The photo was taken last summer, I was by myself doing recon without an assistant. This gal was a cyclist riding by at the time and I asked if she would stand next to the FH for perspective, she wanted to cover up, so I gave her a shirt of mine. The leg thing is a brace, I think


 
Posted : March 25, 2011 9:50 am

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> and I quote
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> 0.5 MILE WEST ALONG STATE HIGHWAY FROM, ROUTT COUNTY, 75 FEET NORTH OF THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF RANCH HOUSE, AND 47 FEET SOUTH OF THE CENTERLINE OF THE HIGHWAY, NE FLANGE OF FIRE HYDRANT = 6703.87'
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It's hilarious that everyone but Paul saw a girl and not a 5' fire hydrant!!!!!

You guys are some kind of dirty old men!!!!! 🙂


 
Posted : March 25, 2011 9:51 am
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> It's hilarious that everyone but Paul saw a girl and not a 5' fire hydrant!!!!!

<---- Points to Nate


 
Posted : March 25, 2011 9:53 am
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LOL! Bare skinned legs do seem to get attention!


 
Posted : March 25, 2011 10:02 am
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FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH

I WAS TAUGHT, THAT IN THE CASE OF BENCHMARK AMBIGUITY, THE HIGHEST POSSIBLE POINT IS THE MARK.

DITTO THE DOUBLE CHECK.


 
Posted : March 25, 2011 10:15 am
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SC, sometimes that is the only thing around to use. I always use the operating nut on top (but not the zirc). I try to pick it up during a topo/as-built survey. With some nice shiny coordinates on that thing, makes for a quicky BS in a pinch!

-JD-


 
Posted : March 25, 2011 10:17 am

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I double checked the girl, and she still has a bandaged left leg.

(there's your double check!)

🙂

N


 
Posted : March 25, 2011 10:51 am
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FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH

FH's can "surge" vertically, they do not make good BMs.


 
Posted : March 25, 2011 11:01 am
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easy, just use your Garmin to figure out which one is closest to 6703.


 
Posted : March 25, 2011 11:04 am