seriously though, what's wrong with my 2 ladders idea?
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Yeah, and with a lock on it. The gate codes on the back fences of the deer ranches are typically something the landowner who built the high fence is not apt to give out because the landowner with fewer good deer might just arrange for the gate to drift open.
On a ranch with branded cattle, and normal stock fences, a gate between pastures would usually not be locked.
Yeah, I had a truck like that once.
Fence climbing can be hazardous to your progeny
> Again, the owner of that fence might show up and might cause you far more problems than you have thought of in advance.
Well, it hasn't happened in 35 years, so I like the odds. The folks I worry about are those in suburbia who act like its the end of the world if you actually dig up a survey marker in their yard. Out in ranch country, things just aren't that way.
Fence climbing can be hazardous to your progeny
I remember well the fellow who chewed by butt from here to kingdom come for crossing his land despite having been told by our client that it would be no problem whatsoever. The client's property was landlocked pasture land in an area of about eight sections with no public access through them. This was the only way to get there short of using a helicopter. The client had a written easement saying he had access. This irate fellow made it quite clear that I wasn't Mr. Client. He had no interest in listening to anything I had to say, no matter how rational it was.
What made the entire ordeal so prolonged and awful was that I managed to drive over a sharp stob as we were coming through the gate to cross this irate fellow's land for several hundred feet to get back to the county road. It can take quite some time to get down a spare, jack up a pickup, pull off the wheel and replace it with the spare, lower the jack and get gone. It seems like an eternity with an irate redneck threatening you, very seriously. We had just got the wheel off when he came rolling up doing about 60 mph, screeched to a halt and leaped out of his pickup before it stopped moving. He also happened to have a rifle in one hand. It didn't help that I was in serious need of something to raise my blood sugar as we had worked way past lunch time and my diabetes was telling me to hurry to get something in me.....and that was before the blowout and the blowup with the idiot. Hard to stay calm when your body is already not happy with you.
Fence climbing can be hazardous to your progeny
> We had just got the wheel off when he came rolling up doing about 60 mph, screeched to a halt and leaped out of his pickup before it stopped moving. He also happened to have a rifle in one hand.
Well, I just have to wonder what in the world is the matter with Kansas if that's par for the course.
seriously though, what's wrong with my 2 ladders idea?
> Seriously? You think a fence alone would be more stable that a the double ladder approach? If you truly believe that, then I would question your judgement in general.
I'm guessing that you haven't climbed any 8 ft. fences. Obviously, you don't climb them at a tee post, but at a pipe post or, better yet, at a corner where the posts are typically braced off by welded connections. They're plenty stable, unlike ladders on uneven ground, one of which has to be dropped over the fence to rest wherever it ends up. Just think about it and recall that the natural ground surface is highly variable.
seriously though, what's wrong with my 2 ladders idea?
> > Seriously? You think a fence alone would be more stable that a the double ladder approach? If you truly believe that, then I would question your judgement in general.
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> I'm guessing that you haven't climbed any 8 ft. fences. Obviously, you don't climb them at a tee post, but at a pipe post or, better yet, at a corner where the posts are typically braced off by welded connections. They're plenty stable, unlike ladders on uneven ground, one of which has to be dropped over the fence to rest wherever it ends up. Just think about it and recall that the natural ground surface is highly variable.
First you said that climbing an 8' fence was so difficult you needed to drive an hour to get around it. So I offered a potential solution of using ladders.
Now your saying climbing the fences is easy. So which is it? I guess I already knew you just like wasting time arguing.
An uneven ground?!? from the pictures the ground looks flat as a pancake to me.
Looking at the pictures, I would send one man over the fence (by climbing it) and then hand the gear over and then climb it myself.
Can't say I've actually climbed over 8 foot fences in a couple decades, but a simple 8' woven wire fence looks like less of an obstacle to cross than what I posted in the original post of this thread.
seriously though, what's wrong with my 2 ladders idea?
> First you said that climbing an 8' fence was so difficult you needed to drive an hour to get around it.
What thread were you reading? It was Bovine Divine who insisted that a surveyor shouldn't be climbing that fence, but should contact the adjoining landowner and get permission to drive around through his land to the other side of the fence. I pointed out that there are plenty of situations where that would take an hour or more of drive time just to get to the other side of the fence and was for that reason impractical.
Practicality is the same reason that carrying ladders around strikes me as a fail.
seriously though, what's wrong with my 2 ladders idea?
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> What thread were you reading? It was Bovine Divine who insisted that a surveyor shouldn't be climbing that fence, but should contact the adjoining landowner and get permission to drive around through his land to the other side of the fence. .
Kent McMillan Posted:
Look for remains of bearing trees. What, they're on the other side of the fence? Better drive the hour or so that it will take to get to the other side of that one in order to be able hunt for some rotted remains of a mesquite that has been dead for at least fifty years.
Your post above is stating that: The easiest way to get to the other side of an 8' fence would be to drive an hour. But later, you allude to the fact that climbing fences is easy. Sometimes I feel like I am arguing with a 3 year old.
Problem Solved
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seriously though, what's wrong with my 2 ladders idea?
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> Look for remains of bearing trees. What, they're on the other side of the fence? Better drive the hour or so that it will take to get to the other side of that one in order to be able hunt for some rotted remains of a mesquite that has been dead for at least fifty years.
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> Your post above is stating that: The easiest way to get to the other side of an 8' fence would be to drive an hour. But later, you allude to the fact that climbing fences is easy. Sometimes I feel like I am arguing with a 3 year old.
You may have noticed that I don't use the sarcasm font because I assume that the reader is sharp enough to recognize sarcasm. Apparently you didn't read the threads in which Bovine Divine insisted that the only proper way to deal with the situation described was to contact the adjoining landowner, secure permission to enter his ranch, and drive to the other side of the 8 ft. high fence, no climbing allowed.
That is such an impractical solution that it didn't occur to me that any surveyor would seriously entertain the suggestion that just climbing over the fence was not the best way to access the other side for the purposes mentioned.
Just because climbing over an 8 ft. high fence is easier than (a) driving for about an hour to get to the other side of the fence in some back pasture of the adjoining ranch or (b) dragging some ladders out to try to get them in some configuration might sort of work to climb over the fence doesn't mean that climbing over 8 ft. high fences is fun or easy work. It's just the best of some bad options.
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I used to have a computer technician who was a Guardian Angel.
He could pick locks and open locked office doors.
seriously though, what's wrong with my 2 ladders idea?
Around here the gates are used by multiple owners and oil companies so they have more than one lock "daisy chained" together. I carry a couple new locks and cutters in my truck. Just cut the chain and add to the daisy. No one cares or even notices.
You Know That Gate Looks Awful Tempting
Since Kent believes the original property line is on the other side of the fence the fence, gate and lock belong to his client. What is needed is a good bolt cutter. I have worked in areas where there is a chain of up to a half dozen locks on a gate.
I think once you explain to the landowner the cost of all that extra travel a key shows up or he allows you to add your lock to the chain.
That is not a substantial fence, elk and buffalo fences, now they are substantial.
Paul in PA
You Know That Gate Looks Awful Tempting
There is no way I am climbing an 8 ft fence. Sorry, but the safety risks just aren't worth it to me. I either drive around, get permission to access, add my own lock to the chain, or use a ladder.
I am a pretty big guy, and I try my best to be smart and work as safely as possible.