Hey Everyone,
Posting for some assistance in adjusting my Traverse not sure if I am following the proper Procedure.
I stated the Traverse from point 426 and back-sighted point 425 then closed to point 425 as point (829) and angle closed to point 426 as point (831). Now I am trying to adjust using Compass Rule with Angle Balance and not sure if the Procedure I am following is correct. Below is a copy of my Raw Data after performing a Direct and Reverse Reduction. Can anyone help with procedure, I am really stuck!
I need the raw data file to look at and import
Are you getting the same answer when you manually check the closure?
For example, is Carlson reporting the same angular error that you would get if you followed the N-2*180 rule?
I always enter/analyze/adjust the traverse separate from the radial measurements.
But that's just me.
Interesting, I usually adjust everything at one time. Is there a benefit of adjusting separately?
Jimmy Cleveland, post: 408912, member: 91 wrote: I need the raw data file to look at and import
Is there an option to upload the RAW .rw5 on this board?
email it to jcleveland (@) thyinc.com
Here is the Original Raw and Here is a copy of my Processes Information which I do not think I performed correctly.
Sent you the file in email Jimmy thanks again for your help!
The data in StarNet format:
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# STAR*TDS Version 8.1.2.990
# Copyright 2014 MicroSurvey Software Inc.
# Input Field File : C:UsersTaylorDownloadsGREEN VALLEY LAKES_FIELD_011217.txt
# Date Processed : 01-13-2017 08:53:02
.Units FeetUS
.Units DMS
.Order AtFromTo
.Sep -
.Delta Off
.3D
C 426 682192.6481 1135836.9444 72.079 ! ! ! 'TRAV 88 GPS
C 778 680424.8837 1136601.7747 69.822 ! ! ! 'SPK 564
C 779 680435.9348 1136604.4733 70.358 ! ! ! '2' TR W/WIRE
B 426-829 86.3454 !
# Job : GREEN VALLEY LAKES
# Date : 01-05-2017
# Time : 07:51:00
.3R
DV 426-829 348.0106 89-12-56.0 5.03/5.00 'TRAV 96 GPS
.3D
M 426-829-757 160-05-14.00 359.4410 92-02-25.00 5.030/5.170 'TRAV MAG
M 757-426-758 165-27-32.00 222.7390 89-30-36.00 5.170/4.900 'TRAV MAG
M 758-757-759 156-14-36.00 328.3910 90-07-01.00 4.900/4.790 'TRAV MAG
M 759-758-760 181-24-33.00 455.9730 88-48-26.00 4.790/5.000 'TRAV MAG
M 760-759-761 123-46-48.00 362.6230 91-04-12.00 5.000/5.070 'SPK 646
SS 761-760-762 19-37-51.00 75.6650 90-25-36.00 5.070/5.020 'IPIN 1/2" UP3
M 761-760-763 172-49-37.00 147.7350 90-34-47.00 5.070/5.190 'TRAV SPK
SS 763-761-764 267-39-40.00 38.5080 92-48-18.00 5.190/5.020 'CB C
M 763-761-765 213-16-29.00 394.7140 86-27-39.00 5.190/5.050 'SPK S
SS 765-763-766 21-42-54.00 163.2210 96-47-09.00 5.050/6.000 '4X4 MON W/CROSS
SS 765-763-767 94-12-44.00 143.9020 95-48-12.00 5.050/5.020 '.5" IPIN IN STONE
M 765-763-768 140-17-12.00 364.0840 90-00-33.00 5.050/5.130 'TRAV SPK S
SS 768-765-769 176-15-12.00 80.5920 101-27-15.00 5.130/5.020 '4X4 MON W/CROSS
SS 768-765-770 192-19-10.00 80.0460 96-51-05.00 5.130/5.020 'SPK 723
M 768-765-771 134-42-46.00 346.3480 95-56-32.00 5.130/5.330 'TRAV SPK S
SS 771-768-772 137-55-01.00 215.3710 88-51-36.00 5.330/5.330 'SPK 189
SS 771-768-773 182-51-15.00 102.9360 87-23-29.00 5.330/5.330 'SPK 522
M 771-768-774 157-00-16.00 371.3600 88-37-13.00 5.330/4.980 'TRAV SPK S
M 774-771-775 180-08-20.00 274.8890 88-48-35.00 4.980/5.110 'TRAV SPK S
SS 775-774-776 80-09-58.00 48.4870 90-07-00.00 5.110/5.110 'SPK 541
M 775-774-777 163-55-21.00 257.6930 88-43-25.00 5.110/5.240 'TRAV SPK S
M 777-775-778 260-15-25.00 4.9900 96-29-25.00 5.240/5.240 'SPK 564
M 777-775-779 163-39-11.00 9.6870 91-27-56.00 5.240/5.020 '2' TR W/WIRE
M 777-775-780 185-13-13.00 191.2070 92-06-02.00 5.240/4.860 'TRAV SPK S
M 780-777-781 178-06-10.00 147.4040 89-33-30.00 5.160/5.210 'spk s
M 781-780-782 209-42-34.00 145.0460 90-22-10.00 5.210/5.400 'spk s
SS 782-781-783 5-56-55.00 13.9050 88-20-07.00 5.400/5.020 'SW E
SS 782-781-784 130-07-57.00 24.4510 88-21-38.00 5.400/5.020 '15"TREE W/WIRE
SS 782-781-785 139-01-46.00 36.5710 90-08-15.00 5.400/5.020 'SW E
SS 782-781-786 350-37-56.00 33.4730 88-58-22.00 5.400/5.020 '15"TREE W/WIRE
M 782-781-787 147-57-12.00 125.2610 90-59-11.00 5.400/5.300 'TRAV SPK
SS 787-782-788 186-37-51.00 83.6880 90-36-14.00 5.300/5.020 '24"TREE W/WIRE
M 787-782-789 197-03-10.00 196.6520 86-23-25.00 5.300/5.150 'TRAV SPK
SS 789-787-790 17-48-22.00 67.1680 98-01-36.00 5.150/5.020 '12" TR W/WIRE
SS 789-787-791 45-02-53.00 42.8560 96-11-43.00 5.150/5.020 'STUMP W/WIRE
SS 789-787-792 73-45-28.00 35.2840 87-53-17.00 5.150/5.020 '18" TR W/WIRE
SS 789-787-793 82-00-44.00 33.8100 88-01-06.00 5.150/5.020 '16" TR W/WIRE
SS 789-787-794 136-45-15.00 63.8080 84-49-48.00 5.150/1.000 'STN PILE W/WIRE
SS 789-787-795 150-46-25.00 111.0100 85-35-16.00 5.150/5.020 'WIRE REMAINS
SS 789-787-796 160-40-40.00 58.2600 68-17-02.00 5.150/0.000 'YLW FLAGGING
SS 789-787-797 160-47-00.00 181.3270 76-36-07.00 5.150/0.000 'STN PL?
SS 789-787-798 213-31-51.00 322.9060 79-05-37.00 5.150/0.000 'TOP RIDGE
SS 789-787-799 177-37-57.00 236.0260 71-07-21.00 5.150/0.000 'TOP RIDGE
SS 789-787-800 169-21-43.00 225.6040 68-08-52.00 5.150/0.000 'TOP RIDGE
SS 789-787-801 159-07-15.00 207.5620 72-04-02.00 5.150/0.000 'FACE RIDGE
SS 789-787-802 154-17-52.00 205.8420 68-19-11.00 5.150/0.000 'TOP RIDGE
SS 789-787-803 134-44-51.00 217.6790 70-41-53.00 5.150/0.000 'TOP RIDGE
SS 789-787-804 134-23-40.00 35.9640 67-42-11.00 5.150/0.000 'TOP RIDGE
M 789-787-805 87-44-02.00 327.9880 90-03-13.00 5.150/5.210 'SPK S
SS 805-789-806 306-04-11.00 185.2830 67-27-33.00 5.210/0.000 'FACE RIDGE
SS 805-789-807 306-28-03.00 133.7940 63-51-02.00 5.210/0.000 'TOP RIDGE
SS 805-789-808 260-33-23.00 173.7950 62-07-50.00 5.210/0.000 'TOP RIDGE
SS 805-789-809 231-25-08.00 175.7410 68-23-09.00 5.210/0.000 'FACE RIDGE
SS 805-789-810 213-12-31.00 267.6800 71-10-13.00 5.210/0.000 'TOP RIDGE
SS 805-789-811 203-27-28.00 350.4840 74-23-15.00 5.210/0.000 'TOP RIDGE
M 805-789-812 177-01-10.00 232.0450 90-18-26.00 5.210/5.250 'SPK S
SS 812-805-813 307-01-50.00 200.9940 65-04-14.00 5.250/0.000 'TOP RIDGE
SS 812-805-814 277-51-50.00 159.6050 66-02-58.00 5.250/0.000 'FACE RIDGE
SS 812-805-815 232-04-44.00 216.7250 62-41-20.00 5.250/0.000 'TOP RIDGE
SS 812-805-816 209-36-26.00 244.5420 71-45-17.00 5.250/0.000 'TOP RIDGE
M 812-805-817 177-21-37.00 292.5550 90-59-11.00 5.250/4.980 'SPK S
SS 817-812-818 304-02-17.00 185.4390 60-49-58.00 4.980/0.000 'TOP RIDGE
SS 817-812-819 286-53-22.00 168.1480 61-03-14.00 4.980/0.000 'TOP RIDGE
SS 817-812-820 268-27-16.00 148.4230 61-07-56.00 4.980/0.000 'TOP RIDGE
SS 817-812-821 243-05-14.00 170.6850 69-50-14.00 4.980/0.000 'TOP RIDGE
M 817-812-822 194-38-55.00 208.1740 89-37-52.00 4.980/5.040 'SPK S
M 822-817-823 192-55-02.00 143.4130 77-32-43.00 5.040/4.900 'MAG S
M 823-822-824 149-36-47.00 236.0770 93-33-46.00 4.900/5.300 'SPK S
M 824-823-825 201-57-54.00 173.1520 81-33-25.00 5.300/5.010 'SPK S
M 825-824-826 137-36-36.00 146.4760 92-52-04.00 5.010/4.990 'SPK S
M 826-825-827 138-23-48.00 219.3210 98-45-26.00 4.990/5.110 'SPK S
M 827-826-828 163-46-37.00 161.4080 90-03-11.00 5.110/5.140 'SPK S
M 828-827-829 171-47-42.00 228.1540 88-12-22.00 5.140/4.910 'SPK S
M 829-828-426 199-58-42.00 348.0180 90-45-14.00 4.910/5.560 'mag 425
M 829-828-426 199-58-38.00 348.0140 90-45-40.00 4.910/5.560 'ipin 426
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I don't have the SurvCE converter, but in this case my TDS converter worked. I did make a few point numbering changes were closing off/repeat shots had different point numbers.
Jimmy Cleveland, post: 408914, member: 91 wrote: Interesting, I usually adjust everything at one time. Is there a benefit of adjusting separately?
Probably not. But I like to keep my thought processes separate.
Control ->Corner Ties->Boundary analysis->Topographic
I usually record the traverse and corner ties in a field book (which is entered into a database). The radial topographic data is stored on the data collector.
So it isn't that difficult to enter the traverse first.
Mark Mayer, post: 408925, member: 424 wrote: The data in StarNet format:
I don't have the SurvCE converter, but in this case my TDS converter worked. I did make a few point numbering changes were closing off/repeat shots had different point numbers.
NM
imaudigger, post: 408929, member: 7286 wrote: I usually record the traverse and corner ties in a field book (which is entered into a database). The radial topographic data is stored on the data collector.
I used to write all the traverse data in the field book, although I've always (at least since c1997, when I started StarNet-ing) used the electronic format for data entry. A few years ago I decided that the electronic was reliable enough. Now I just note setups, measure ups, and monument descriptions.
Mark Mayer, post: 408946, member: 424 wrote: I used to write all the traverse data in the field book, although I've always (at least since c1997, when I started StarNet-ing) used the electronic format for data entry. A few years ago I decided that the electronic was reliable enough. Now I just note setups, measure ups, and monument descriptions.
My office has a system of field books that goes back to the 1880's. It seems to have worked so far.
Really most ordinary surveys don't have tremendous amounts of control points or corner ties, so it's not that bad.
I will let the DC record the measurements as well and compare the book against the electronic files once I get in the office.
It's redundant, but I don't mind.
imaudigger, post: 408950, member: 7286 wrote: My office has a system of field books that goes back to the 1880's. It seems to have worked so far.
That's pretty cool. But at some point somebody said "This office has a system going back to 1880. It seems to have worked so far. We don't need steel tapes/ motor vehicles / telephones / Curtas / theodolites / EDMs / GPS / Total Stations / Computers / data collectors / CAD......."
Mark Mayer, post: 408959, member: 424 wrote: That's pretty cool. But at some point somebody said "This office has a system going back to 1880. It seems to have worked so far. We don't need steel tapes/ motor vehicles / telephones / Curtas / theodolites / EDMs / GPS / Total Stations / Computers / data collectors / CAD......."
Ya - you have to find a balance that works.
On the final shot in the raw data editor, change the TR to CL&AB (closing shot and angle balance). Then reduce via the compass rule and verify that the angle balance field is checked. Should work like a dream then.
I will say that the raw data editor has a problem with multiple loops AND if you had a "spur hub", and you'd like it to be reduced from the final traverse adjustment, then you need to change the TR to an SS for that shot only.
Here is what I get when I run it through Carlson SurvNET
I'm having serious problems reducing this RW5 file with the standard Carlson compass rule. Not sure what the problem is. SurvNET didn't have a problem with it.
Does your traverse graphics look like garbage in the Raw file editor?
You might want to call Carlson on this one.
StarNet listing report and plot. It ran with only a little trouble.
