I draw all my plats in model space. (Yes, I never learned how to use paper space)
So, I often draw up all the line work, and point numbers, (Nice survey worksheet) and then copy it over to the side of the worksheet, and keep adding stuff, until I get a final plat, and then turn off the numbers.
It USED to be that the COORD files remained associated with the worksheet portion of the dwg.
NOW, for whatever reason, the underlying coords, in the cogo file, is MOVING with the copied coords, to the bogus place where my final dwg is, in the drawing. (very frustrating)
I have learned how to move them back, but, now, the coords are associated with the wrong attributes.
Any education I can get, on how COGO files are associated with DWG files would be much appreciated.
Thanks
N
I don't use paper space either Nate. But if do a nice worksheet I will save it as my job number (JB4000) then when i do my drawing i will save as the worksheet DWG to (JB4000A). That way all the linework is is where it's suppose to be.
Nate,
When I use Carlson, I create my drawing, and assign the coordinate file to associate with that drawing using the drawing wizard. It is pretty straightforward. If you have an existing drawing, you open up the Points Menu, and then Select Coordinate File Utilities, and you can open a Coordinate File there. Once that file i opened, it becomes associated with that drawing.
If you are copying your points, it is creating copies of the points, and you essentially have (2) point 1's, (2) point 2's, etc.
I believe that it would be much easier, and cleaner, for you to use layer states, and freeze/thaw layers to accomplish the same thing you are doing.
Not criticizing, but paperspace is not really hard to learn to use at all. I learned it in an afternoon, and once I learned it, it is the only way to go, in my humble opinion.
Nate The Surveyor, post: 370721, member: 291 wrote: I draw all my plats in model space. (Yes, I never learned how to use paper space)
So, I often draw up all the line work, and point numbers, (Nice survey worksheet) and then copy it over to the side of the worksheet, and keep adding stuff, until I get a final plat, and then turn off the numbers.
It USED to be that the COORD files remained associated with the worksheet portion of the dwg.
NOW, for whatever reason, the underlying coords, in the cogo file, is MOVING with the copied coords, to the bogus place where my final dwg is, in the drawing. (very frustrating)
I have learned how to move them back, but, now, the coords are associated with the wrong attributes.Any education I can get, on how COGO files are associated with DWG files would be much appreciated.
Thanks
N
Your making things harder on yourself than they need to be. Sounds like you need two different drawings. One for your worksheet and one for your survey plat. The point coordinates can be drawn in both of them without moving them around.
Check the Object linking settings under the general tab in Carlson Configure menu. You probably have the point objects linked to the .crd file. I don't recommend having it set this way.
If you want to copy things back and forth between the two drawings....select -> copy -> CNTRL+TAB (to cycle between drawings) ->paste to original coordinates.
You may also want to check out X-REF tools so if you make changes to the boundary shown in the worksheet, the change is reflected in the survey plat drawing.
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Paper space/model space got you by the ying-yang. I have a 1 1/2 page tutorial on paper space that will have you up and running in 15 minutes.
MODEL SPACE TO PAPER SPACE
COMMAND QUICK KEYS
Model ViewportÛ?Û?Û?Û?Û?Û?Û?Û?Û?Û?Û?Û?Û?.MVIEW
Model SpaceÛ?Û?Û?Û?Û?Û?Û?Û?Û?Û?Û?Û?Û?Û?..MS
Paper SpaceÛ?Û?Û?Û?Û?Û?Û?Û?Û?Û?Û?Û?Û?Û?...PS
PROCEDURE:
The default tabs in each drawing are ÛÏMODELÛ and ÛÏLAYOUT1Û. The ÛÏMODEL tab, obviously, opens the Model Space version of the drawing. The ÛÏLAYOUT1Û tab takes you to paper space with a left click and reveals the default sheet layout.
To set the desired sheet size, right click in the ÛÏLAYOUT1Û tab and select the Page Setup ManagerÛ. Select the ÛÏModifyÛ button for your selected layout. Now select the desired sheet size from the list. Then hit ÛÏOKÛ and then hit ÛÏCLOSEÛ.
You should now have a correctly sized view window for the desired sheet. Now INSERT the desired standard sheet block at a scale of 1:1 and center the drafting area in the dashed outline of the view window. (You may have to adjust this to get it just right. Do a plot preview to see if you have it where you want it.)
Set PSLTSCALE=0.
Now is the best time to set up the border sheet with all of the notes, legend, bar scale and title block information. (Be sure to change the LTScale of the dashed lines in the legend to 0.05 for then to display correctly. Do that with the ÛÏCHANGEÛ command, changing the properties of the selected lines.)
Once this is done, you will need to create a layout tab for each sheet you will need for the project. Do this by typing ÛÏLAYOUTÛ on the command line and using the ÛÏcÛ or copy option to create each tab incrementally.
(Should you ever need to change or move the order of the displayed tabs, right click on the tab and select the ÛÏCopy or MoveÛ option.)
To create the viewport, type ÛÏMViewÛ on the command line. Select a viewport corner and drag the window to what you want. (Irregular viewports can be created in MVIEW by selecting the ÛÏPolygonalÛ option in the menu. Also viewports can easily be LOCKED in this command.)
Be sure to set the viewport frame to layer ÛÏVPÛ. This can be set as a ÛÏnon-plottableÛ layer if desired.
To set the scale of the viewed drawing, either type ÛÏMSÛ or double click within the viewport window to enter Model Space. Now type ÛÏZÛ (zoom), enter, then type 1/desired view scale xp. (For a 1Û=30Ûª scale that would be 1/30xp. )
To center-up or align the drawing data as desired, use the ÛÏPANÛ command.
At this point, any elements that you do not wish to be in the current view can be removed by checking the ÛÏFreeze in current viewÛ tab in the LAYER CONTROL MANAGER.
Now type PS to return to Paper Space.
Once you have everything the way you want it in the viewport, you need to lock the viewport. Select the ÛÏPROPERTIES MANAGERÛ from the pull down icons. At the top right click on ÛÏSelect ObjectsÛ and pick the viewport frame. (You MUST be in Paper Space ÛÏPSÛ to do this). On the tab, find the Display lock item. Click on the value to the right and select the ÛÏyesÛ option.
Now the viewport is set and locked. You can add any ÛÏsheet dependentÛ text notes to the sheet while in Paper Space. (This may be the best way to label your grid. Label it in Paper space and the turn off layer GRDTXT in the master drawing.)
ADDITIONAL GENERAL NOTES
The viewport freeze tab in the layer control freezes selected items ONLY in that viewport and only in whatever space you are currently in. You can freeze items in paper space and in model space inside of the current tab without affecting the other tabs.
You can move items from model space directly to paper space. Copy the item desired in Model Space. Then type ÛÏCHSPACEÛ on the command line and then follow the prompts. Then move the selected item to the desired location in Paper Space.
3D views can be inserted into a viewport using the ÛÏDDVPOINTÛ command. You can also use dviewÛ?..twist in a viewport.
The fastest way to freeze items in a selected viewport is using the Layer control window in the tool bar. Third item to the right freezes selected items in the viewport.
Sorry to veer away from the OP, but I'll echo the endorsements for using p-space. How can you easily plot a multi-sheet set of, say, 2 miles of strip topo at 50 scale using only model space? How can you show details at different scales, without drawing them multiple times? I used Generic Cadd, without p-space, for several years when I first gave up my troublesome rapidograph pens for an only-slightly-less-troublesome CalComp 8-pen plotter. Moving to ACAD in the early 90s, I at first did everything in m-space. When a friend finally showed me how to utilize p-space, the proverbial lightbulb popped on above my head, and I can't imagine going back.
P-space CAN be learned in an afternoon - Jennifer DiBona's book is one way, but there are quite a few YouTube videos and other tutorials, including this one that Ms. DiBona prepared. Once you wrap your mind around the concept, it's easy-peasy, as they say. Don't be a-skeered.
I don't have my coordinate files linked to my drawings, because it's too easy to inadvertently move a point in the drawing that I don't want moved. Under Point Utilities you can update the coord file from the drawing, or vice versa. I have only one dwg per project, with everything therein. Using layer states reduces the confusion considerably when working with a very busy dwg. To be fair to others, I don't do layout and seldom do topos.
Of course YMMV,
SS
I used paper space a lot for engineering drawings but not so much in my survey work. A whole proposed subdivision could have tens of paper spaces representing even more project sheets. One drawing could have the complete survey and several miles of existing and proposed road profiles. Because my detail sheets were most often done by draftspersons, they would be in separate drawings or referenced in.
First off your coordinate file can be attached to several drawings.
I use "Edit/Clipboard/Copy" in one drawing and then "Edit/Clipboard/Paste to Original Coordinates" in the second.
You can also draw anything you want by point numbers in the second drawing and never even have a single point drawn in the drawing. This is most helpful if you want to keep you detail in a true North view and use Twist Screen for the survey plat. Suppose you are laying out a subdivision or are surveying multiple lots per a filed map. Your detail drawing can be true North or Twist Screen to the Filed Map orientation. Each Lot Survey can be oriented to have the street on the bottom, changing lineweight on pertinent lot boundaries, use Switch Bearing Quadrant on metes and twist text, etc.
Paul in PA
Just another vote for Paper Space. Not real hard to learn. One cool trick is that you can freeze out layers by PSPACE viewport and leave them on in others, so you can set it up so the points are visible in model space and not in PSPACE. Or have some points on and others off in different viewports. Really pretty cool stuff.
As far as your original question - what version of Carlson are you using? I know there were issues with the coordinate database attachment with the 2011 version.