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I have been using a new TSC3.

When using RTK and TSC2, I often calibrated to known coordinates, and my calibration screen would tell me how far "off" my rtk observations were between two points - meaning I would hold one coordinate, and the second point would be close but not perfect.

Using what I thought were the same properties and set up on my TSC3, I can't seem to work the same way: instead, I get both calibration points as "exact same". This seems forced, and is not how I want to work.

Thanks in advance for any and all advice on how to calibrate with TSC3.


 
Posted : April 25, 2016 8:47 pm
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Just a thought.... is it adjusting the scale factor to "fit" the two points??


 
Posted : April 26, 2016 10:23 am
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There's a check box in the Survey Style that says Set Scale To 1; my guess is it's checked on one and not the other. If it's unchecked it scales the GPS to fit the ground coordinates; this is the default.

I'd suggest that you download the General Survey Help file; TIM will link you to it (the info circle next to GS), so will this link:

http://www.trimble.com/Survey/Trimble-Access-IS.aspx

Go to Downloads and then Help Files and Release Notes.


 
Posted : April 26, 2016 2:08 pm
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Any 2 points will make a line, therefore you won't show any residuals for either H or V. Add a 3rd point you will see H residuals but not V, why? Because any 3 points will make a plane. Add a 4th point and you will see V residuals as well. Been the same in TSC2 TSC3 all along.


 
Posted : April 26, 2016 3:37 pm
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what makes me nervous is getting "zero residuals" with two points, when I know there is a small residual. On my own previously adjusted sites, I don't see why I need to go to three or four points, which I did not have to do with the TSC2. Therefore, I'm following L Dee's suggestion - that sounds like where I need to go.


 
Posted : April 26, 2016 8:32 pm

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There won't be a residual with 2 points. Not if youre calibrating. You are forcing the project to scale to those points. If you have 3 you can't have the exact scale between all 3, therefore you get a residual. If you are thinking you want a scale factor or 1.00000000 yes you will have a residual, but calibrating will ignore the scale factor setting of 1.0000. Dont have RTN yet in my area, so I've calibrated literally 100s of jobs....


 
Posted : April 26, 2016 9:08 pm
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I'm missing a togle. with my TSC2, on a daily basis, I would calibrate onto a known site. After two points, there would be a residual. my two known points were not exact distance as measured with RTK. I calibrate onto the first point, shoot the second point, and the actual difference between known points and measured RTK would show up as a residual. .01, or point 02., never 0.0000. I tried the above suggestion but the same thing is happening. If the TSC3 will not show residuals as the TSC2 did, I just need to know.


 
Posted : April 26, 2016 9:29 pm
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i just checked my TSC2, and there are several 2-point calibrations that show a residual for the second point. all the set up is identical to my TSC3 settings. so, I'm stumped.


 
Posted : April 26, 2016 9:43 pm
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A two point calibration should show residuals. I would imagine it would also reproject your file each time it is calibrated


 
Posted : April 28, 2016 7:27 am
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I don't know about older versions of SC, but I don't remember either SC or Access ever showing residuals for a two point calibration. To prove this, I just grabbed a tablet running Access 2016.00 (current release) and keyed in Global coordinates 30 00 00N 90 00 00W and 30 00 10N and 90 00 00W. I then keyed in grid coordinates 5000,10000 and 5100,10000 and calibrated to those pairs. See below.


 
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Lee D, post: 369813, member: 7971 wrote: I don't know about older versions of SC, but I don't remember either SC or Access ever showing residuals for a two point calibration. To prove this, I just grabbed a tablet running Access 2016.00 (current release) and keyed in Global coordinates 30 00 00N 90 00 00W and 30 00 10N and 90 00 00W. I then keyed in grid coordinates 5000,10000 and 5100,10000 and calibrated to those pairs. See below.

What's the scale factor on your example project??


 
Posted : April 28, 2016 8:24 am
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Scale factor is 0.09898582.


 
Posted : April 28, 2016 9:05 am
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I don't see how a residual could be calculated with 2 points unless you already had a scale factor applied. Even then your residual would just show the distance error.


 
Posted : April 28, 2016 9:08 am
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I always have the scale factor set to 1 just for that reason. If you allow that to float, you will never get residuals on a (two point) line.... but more importantly, it will apply that scale factor to Everything else you measure. That is where you can get really screwed up.


 
Posted : April 28, 2016 9:10 am
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Lee D, post: 369824, member: 7971 wrote: Scale factor is 0.09898582.

Now if you force the s/f to stay at 1, you would get residuals and you would know right away that something was wrong.


 
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I tried it both ways - with and without Set Scale to 1 checked. Per Trimble's literature, the Set Scale to One holds the GPS distances over the calibration point distances and should be used in a case where you believe the GPS to be more precise than the points you're calibrating to. But you still don't get residuals with only two points.


 
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In any case this is interesting as a purely academic exercise but with all due respect I would never calibrate to two points in the real world.


 
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Lee D, post: 369831, member: 7971 wrote: In any case this is interesting as a purely academic exercise but with all due respect I would never calibrate to two points in the real world.

yes, agreed on that for sure!


 
Posted : April 28, 2016 2:20 pm
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Is it possible to set the scale factor to the proper geodetic combined factor instead of 1?


 
Posted : April 29, 2016 5:18 am
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A calibration would set its own scale. A calibration should always be done using static data, then once done to acceptable limits never, never redone to a file.


 
Posted : April 29, 2016 5:46 am

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