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what it says......
does it make sense?

 
Posted : May 12, 2015 8:32 am
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It means what it says. You have three choices:

1) Single Observation: TBC holds one observation and everything else is just used as a comparison - for instance, in a Point Derivation Report (if you're not familiar with this report, you may want to check it out)

2) Weighted Mean of Like Observations: will compute a weighted mean, as it says, of like observations; RTK, total station, etc. RTK, for instance, is weighted by the covariance data of the observations.

3) Weighted Mean of All Observations: Will calculate a weighted mean of all observations to a point, weighting the observation by whatever you have set for Default Standard Errors in your Project Settings.

 
Posted : May 12, 2015 8:44 am
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> It means what it says. You have three choices:
>
> 1) Single Observation: TBC holds one observation and everything else is just used as a comparison - for instance, in a Point Derivation Report (if you're not familiar with this report, you may want to check it out)
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> 2) Weighted Mean of Like Observations: will compute a weighted mean, as it says, of like observations; RTK, total station, etc. RTK, for instance, is weighted by the covariance data of the observations.
>

That's NOT what it says...it says short observations have more weight than long observations

 
Posted : May 12, 2015 8:50 am
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> what it says......
> does it make sense?

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Posted : May 12, 2015 9:48 am
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It makes perfect sense that shorter observations would be weighted heavier than longer observations, at least with RTK.

 
Posted : May 12, 2015 10:36 am
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Not sure where you see that, this is straight from the Help:

As is this:

 
Posted : May 12, 2015 10:41 am
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My snip is straight from project setting> computations

 
Posted : May 12, 2015 11:35 am
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> It makes perfect sense that shorter observations would be weighted heavier than longer observations, at least with RTK.

M'kay - so if I shoot a point as an observed control point for 60 epochs- then later for 600 epochs - the pragr is correct in assigning greater weight to the 60 epoch observations....

 
Posted : May 12, 2015 11:40 am
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It would appear that they contradict themselves...

 
Posted : May 12, 2015 11:42 am
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I've always understood the weighting to be based on the precision of the measurement, I never even noticed that bit at the bottom of the Computations screen. Obviously, there could be circumstances where a longer shot would have better precisions than a shorter shot.

I don't have any good connections in the TBC group but I'm going to try to get an answer from Trimble on this.

 
Posted : May 12, 2015 11:47 am
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"It makes perfect sense that shorter observations would be weighted heavier than longer observations, at least with RTK."

That doesn't make any sense to me at all. Please elaborate...

 
Posted : May 12, 2015 11:58 am
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Do they mean shorter in time or shorter in distance?

 
Posted : May 12, 2015 12:01 pm
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By shorter I meant in distance, not in observation time. All else being equal, the ppm error in an RTK vector is going to make a short vector more precise than a long vector.

By no means did I mean to imply that it would be correct to weight vectors purely on their length.

 
Posted : May 12, 2015 12:06 pm
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They would have to mean shorter distance but that still doesn't make sense; I don't want a 3 second shot in the trees weighted heavier than a 20 second shot in the wide open at any reasonable distance.

 
Posted : May 12, 2015 12:10 pm
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Lee D, post: 316999, member: 7971 wrote: I've always understood the weighting to be based on the precision of the measurement, I never even noticed that bit at the bottom of the Computations screen. Obviously, there could be circumstances where a longer shot would have better precisions than a shorter shot.

I don't have any good connections in the TBC group but I'm going to try to get an answer from Trimble on this.

[USER=7971]@Lee D[/USER] -
did you ever hear from anyone at Trimble on this?

 
Posted : August 25, 2015 1:14 pm
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No I'm afraid not but I'll try another inquiry

 
Posted : August 27, 2015 5:18 am