Question For Javad Users

Plumb Bill,

Yes there are features on the LS that can not be performed by any other data collector. The intimate control and display of the 6 engines is one item for sure, the other big one off the top of my head would be visual stake out. Then there is the part about "Lift To Start" to trigger your topo shots. This is an incredible feature, and would not be available with a 3rd part data collector. I could go on and on....

Yes the LS would make an awesome base unit.

I very much recommend the LS as your rover. J-Field, which is the software on the LS is absolutely wonderful. The information it provides to you while measuring is beyond anything else I have ever seen.

The heads up, as opposed to looking down at a conventional data collector is different, but I prefer it.

John

Plumb Bill,
With the LS you also have the option of offset photogrammetery which can really help with things that can't be surveyed directly; like steps under a canopy or a fire hydrant directly under a heavy canopy of full leafed trees.
Dave

I agree with John. While the same receiver boards are in both the TRIUMPH-LS and TRIUMPH-1M, the control of the features in these boards will likely never be as good with a third party option as with the Javad software. The only way I would recommend the TRIUMPH-1M over the TRIUMPH-LS is if you are committed to third party software that can control the TRIUMPH-1M or if you are looking to buy a good static receiver with future upgradability to RTK. Javad offers a data collector for the TRIUMPH-1M so you could get the full benefit of the TRIUMPH-1M with an external collector, but if that is the goal, I would simply recommend the LS as its form factor is so much more convenient. Again, the only way I would recommend the 1M with Javad data collection would be if the user wanted to incrementally purchase a system (starting with static and upgrading from there).

Also, as John said, the LS is capable of functioning as a base receiver.

Cool, thanks for the input. What strength UHF radio is onboard the LS for base use?

In the past I liked using only one DC, but I think there may enough built in to the LS to tempt me. I love SurvCE, too - though.

John Evers, post: 327187, member: 467 wrote: The heads up, as opposed to looking down at a conventional data collector is different, but I prefer it.

I gather this is a single piece of equipment. DC, receiver etc all at top of pole 2 metres long.
John I'm curious how this set up would actually be used in places where all you can do is reach up or out and plumb the pole on a point and then log the point?
In cases like that I just take the DC off the pole and sit it close press record and hold steady.

Also not convinced looking up all day is the most anatomically preferred way.
Its against physiotherapists advice on computers which I have found (to my relief) very true.
Just curious.

Richard, post: 327302, member: 833 wrote: I gather this is a single piece of equipment. DC, receiver etc all at top of pole 2 metres long.
John I'm curious how this set up would actually be used in places where all you can do is reach up or out and plumb the pole on a point and then log the point?
In cases like that I just take the DC off the pole and sit it close press record and hold steady.

Also not convinced looking up all day is the most anatomically preferred way.
Its against physiotherapists advice on computers which I have found (to my relief) very true.
Just curious.

The pole is adjustable and puts the unit at eye level.:stakeout:

Richard, post: 327302, member: 833 wrote: I gather this is a single piece of equipment. DC, receiver etc all at top of pole 2 metres long.
John I'm curious how this set up would actually be used in places where all you can do is reach up or out and plumb the pole on a point and then log the point?
In cases like that I just take the DC off the pole and sit it close press record and hold steady.

Also not convinced looking up all day is the most anatomically preferred way.
Its against physiotherapists advice on computers which I have found (to my relief) very true.
Just curious.

This is a picture of my daughter using the LS as a rover on an ALTA survey last year. It works well at any height.

Richard, post: 327302, member: 833 wrote: I gather this is a single piece of equipment. DC, receiver etc all at top of pole 2 metres long.
John I'm curious how this set up would actually be used in places where all you can do is reach up or out and plumb the pole on a point and then log the point?
In cases like that I just take the DC off the pole and sit it close press record and hold steady.

Also not convinced looking up all day is the most anatomically preferred way.
Its against physiotherapists advice on computers which I have found (to my relief) very true.
Just curious.

Not looking up, but level- one of the biggest reasons why I want one. Looking down all day is horrible for you.

Thanks for replies.
I assume those pole locks are secure.
I would be concerned for slippage, slow and imperceptible, with 2.5 kg on top.
This could sound -ve, but not intended. I imagine the developers would be well aware of such an occurrence.
Living off a fixed 2 metre pole it's one concern I never have to worry about.
Apologies - this has got a bit off track from where post started. (sounds a bit like some surveying :-()

Ravelode, post: 327303, member: 9551 wrote: The pole is adjustable and puts the unit at eye level.

I don't care for the Javad monopole, so I use the same carbon-fiber adjustable SECO rod I use with a prism. I have the same quick-release mechanism on the Triumph-LS as I have on my prisms, though the vertical offset is slightly different. I generally run a 5.00' prism height, which reads direct on the pole graduations. That same setting is 5.05' with the Javad, and unless the tip is down in a hole, that's where I keep it. My head doesn't seem to block signals to any degree that I can tell. I wouldn't run an antenna height that low for static work, but for RTK it seems to work fine.

How powerful is the LS for stakeout? Can you stake from a CAD drawing (DWG or DXF)? Or only points? Are there any slope staking routines? Or at least the ability to show relation from a calculated point to current position?

Yes to all of the above. You can import Dwg, Dxf, Shp files and stake to the lines and end points. It has a slope staking feature as well. You can create alignments (vertical and horizontal), road templates etc. It all comes standard on the LS.

Richard, post: 327302, member: 833 wrote: I gather this is a single piece of equipment. DC, receiver etc all at top of pole 2 metres long.
John I'm curious how this set up would actually be used in places where all you can do is reach up or out and plumb the pole on a point and then log the point?
In cases like that I just take the DC off the pole and sit it close press record and hold steady.

Also not convinced looking up all day is the most anatomically preferred way.
Its against physiotherapists advice on computers which I have found (to my relief) very true.
Just curious.

I don't really see an answer to Richard's question. We often have to raise the receiver to 8'-10' above ground to get it above obstructions brush, etc. If the DC is at the top of the pole how do you operate it?

Jim in AZ, post: 327433, member: 249 wrote: We often have to raise the receiver to 8'-10' above ground to get it above obstructions brush, etc. If the DC is at the top of the pole how do you operate it?

The Javad RAMS app (free) reportedly allows you to control the LS via your smartphone by replicating the faceplate. I haven't tried it yet, though.

The data collector and receiver are all in one. There is no need to "get above the obstructions". See the picture that I posted earlier in this thread. It was a picture of my daughter using the LS at 4.0' high.

The form factor is very different but after using it, I would not want to go back to a 2 meter pole.

mattsib79, post: 327523, member: 1138 wrote: There is no need to "get above the obstructions"

There are, indeed, situations in which getting the antenna up above things like dense tree canopy or tall ditch banks is necessary in order to receive clean (or any!) data. Where I work these situations aren't common, but I've certainly run into them. I think the RAMS solution would be pretty workable, but I need to try it out to see how well it works.

Another option to controlling the receiver high overhead is to use the delay start and turn on LED notifications, set the receiver to stop by epoch count. This way you can press start, raise the pole overhead and once the user defined delay period has elapsed the LS will automatically begin taking the shot. The LED flashlight on the bottom of the receiver will flash once for each recorded epoch and then will flutter once the defined number of epochs have been collected. RAMS is also very cool, but requires another device and a little setup time. Both options satisfy the occasional circumstance of needing to get the receiver up overhead. Which, as Matt said, isn't terribly necessary because it generally tracks so well in canopy. But as Jim said, even at that, there are physical barriers that no receiver can track through, such as walls and earthen banks.

Don't forget, the LS has an external antenna jack. If you want to raise an external antenna with coax 25 feet on a pole that is really not impossible.

You can also stick a T2 on that same pole, and use it as an external receiver over bluetooth.

However, if you trim a little of the underbrush, there is really no need to stick it way up in the air. You are inducing much more error with the difficulty of accurately plumbing a tall pole.

There will always be instances where it necessitates a reading (accurate) to something that is way out of reach by way of standing on or at the same point in space.
Boundary work is typical of these situations. (for me)

I'm still not convinced of on board DC's.
Like some TS's.
It's the ability to mix and match RTK with TS I like (need).
Probably my type of work and the natural environment I work in where trees are often the norm interspersed with clearings large enough to get a fix.

John, for me it's not about getting the receiver way up in the air.
It's about having shots on objects physically hard to access, where you can just reach the point, but can't stand on anything to get high enough to be even at a 4' pole height.
One obvious answer could be to carry a very short pole and use that with a bubble to check its vertical.
I'm surprised this hasn't been an issue that cropped up early.
I can only assume there's been concentration on topographic survey as opposed to boundary work.
There's a marked difference where we can easily get a near enough shot on topo feature, but that doesn't cut for accurate cadastral work.