Javad integrates magnetic locator into the rover pole

I do like this idea one less piece of equipment to carry, however there are enough of these bad title sweatshop survey companies, I feel will just use this to "find" the property corner, survey it in, spray paint the location, and move on to the next corner.

Scott Ellis, post: 382800, member: 7154 wrote: I do like this idea one less piece of equipment to carry, however there are enough of these bad title sweatshop survey companies, I feel will just use this to "find" the property corner, survey it in, spray paint the location, and move on to the next corner.

The natural further development of this integration of a magnetic locator into the rover will be to use the receiver software to "correct" a position taken offset from the center of the magnetic signal, thus obviating the need for shovels! I see $150 mortgage surveys on the horizon!

Kent, you really should get a Javad Demo.

DMYHILL, you should get one too.

Scott Ellis: Sweat shop surveying. No. you cannot run a JAVAD LS, without some honest education. The level of intellectual comprehension necessary to USE the LS, will preclude the Rabbits and Donkeys from using them.

It's so much in a small box, that HAS to be understood, to use it properly, that it is not feasable for Wham Damn Surveying inc.

For example, it is NOT as fast as a COMMON Trimble, or other similar designed piece of GPS gear, in poor environments. BUT it is MORE sure, and bordering on ABSOLUTE.

For instance. I was on a point with the LS for over an hour the other day. The satellite constellation was poor. It was GETTING fixed solutions, but until it was consistently getting the RIGHT answer, it was not storing it.

Whereas, with other GPS, COMMON sweatshop surveying, (as you put it) can get a fix, and leave, in short order.

Javad does NOT yield well to "Common Sweat shop surveying".
And, that's why you should get a demo. If you wish to expand your knowledge, that is.

Contact a dealer on this page:

http://javad.com/jgnss/sales/dealers/index.html

Javad is NOT the choice for sweatshop surveying. I think some of you should either get a demo, or stop criticizing.

Nate

Kent McMillan, post: 382803, member: 3 wrote: The natural further development of this integration of a magnetic locator into the rover will be to use the receiver software to "correct" a position taken offset from the center of the magnetic signal, thus obviating the need for shovels! I see $150 mortgage surveys on the horizon!

I am the first to say that the shovel is higher on the list of my must have tools, above locators, robots, gnss receivers. It trumps all except the machete. As for the goobers who would not dig up a corner and verify it, well you can't fix stupid.

Nate The Surveyor, post: 382811, member: 291 wrote: Kent, you really should get a Javad Demo.

DMYHILL, you should get one too.

Scott Ellis: Sweat shop surveying. No. you cannot run a JAVAD LS, without some honest education. The level of intellectual comprehension necessary to USE the LS, will preclude the Rabbits and Donkeys from using them.

It's so much in a small box, that HAS to be understood, to use it properly, that it is not feasable for Wham Damn Surveying inc.

For example, it is NOT as fast as a COMMON Trimble, or other similar designed piece of GPS gear, in poor environments. BUT it is MORE sure, and bordering on ABSOLUTE.

For instance. I was on a point with the LS for over an hour the other day. The satellite constellation was poor. It was GETTING fixed solutions, but until it was consistently getting the RIGHT answer, it was not storing it.

Whereas, with other GPS, COMMON sweatshop surveying, (as you put it) can get a fix, and leave, in short order.

Javad does NOT yield well to "Common Sweat shop surveying".
And, that's why you should get a demo. If you wish to expand your knowledge, that is.

Contact a dealer on this page:

http://javad.com/jgnss/sales/dealers/index.html

Javad is NOT the choice for sweatshop surveying. I think some of you should either get a demo, or stop criticizing.

Nate

Nate,

We used Javad GPS Units. I have seen a few survey companies that will not dig up or mark property corners, and they for sure dont go back and set any missing property corners. I don't care what brand of equipment they use, if a company or crew wants to take a short cut and do a quick and dirty survey they will.

I find in my limited experience, that all the Javad users that I know, are Javad users, because they are striving for excellence, not because they are retards, with paint and flagging.
I am sure, that there are poor practitioners, driving Fords, but that does not make a Ford bad. To associate is to say that because you met a drunk Indian, that all Indians are drunks. It is just not true.

N

Kent McMillan, post: 382803, member: 3 wrote: I see $150 mortgage surveys on the horizon!

Well Kent, if you look at the Easterly horizon (92.83 degrees - 993.4 miles) you'll see 'em.

I am about as opposed to bad surveying as you can get. But, for Kent to associate Javad, or GPS in general is equivocation, and that I will get in his face over. Kent, you are wrong.

Nate

Nate The Surveyor, post: 382824, member: 291 wrote: I am about as opposed to bad surveying as you can get.

So, does that mean that you will recommend that any work on a "Locate-a-Ping" feature not continue? I think you may want to rethink that since it is a natural enhancement of the Tilt Correction function and could revolutionize the mortgage survey "industry" by further saving consumers the needless expense of messing up the turf grasses in their yards.

Kent, I never suggested that.

You are the one who brought that into the picture. I am openly hostile to the association of technology, with imprudent, and downright wrong, as well as illegal surveying. And, you are making that association. It is insulting, and straight up wrong. And you are committing an equivocation to do it. And, I openly call your hand on it. I've had enough of it. Stop it.

Nate

Nate The Surveyor, post: 382830, member: 291 wrote: I am openly hostile to the association of technology, with imprudent, and downright wrong, as well as illegal surveying.

I guess I don't get your point. You're a Javad RTK user, right? You use RTK because it's fast, right? Why wouldn't the Locate-a-Ping function be a feature that many users who are also trying to do things as quickly as possible find of value?

Kent McMillan, post: 382834, member: 3 wrote: I guess I don't get your point. You're a Javad RTK user, right? You use RTK because it's fast, right? Why wouldn't the Locate-a-Ping function be a feature that many users who are also trying to do things as quickly as possible find of value?

No Kent.
I use Javad gear, because it is ACCURATE and faster than many, (When USED CORRECTLY). It is ALSO processing a POST PROCESSED static file, simultaneously with RTK. Most of the time, those items agree within a few hundredths.
It is some of the finest gear ever made.
And, that is why I use it.
Using a magnetic signal is for digging a hole. Not for the final coordinate.
The use of the term "Faster" is a relative concept. For those who do the double checking NECESSARY for using RTK in an hostile environment, it is MUCH faster. For those who ABUSE rtk in a hostile environment, it is MUCH slower. Those who abuse it, are getting one initialization, and one or a few fixes, and moving on. Those of us, who understand it (conventional RTK gear ie, Trimble et al), re-observe, and re-observe, until we reach an accuracy that is desired. This is time consuming. The Javad automates and soundly checks these kinds of observations. It is technology. It is fine equipment.
Now, stop making associations, accusations, and disparaging remarks, equivocating sloppy and non professional work (one Initialization, and a few fixes, with conventional RTK gear), and procedures, with those of us who know how to use our gear. (With emphasis, and some hostility towards your ridiculous remarks. It is simply not appreciated.) Quite simply, it's wrong.

Nate

This reminds me of when I found a call for monument in a deed that read "to magnetic reading location in center of roadway for corner".
We found nothing at that location and previous records placed the corner at an axle found with splines up in the original roadway nearly 20ft to the side of center.

I see it great for locating underground utilities and "dig here" spots.

Scott Ellis, post: 382820, member: 7154 wrote: Nate,

We used Javad GPS Units. I have seen a few survey companies that will not dig up or mark property corners, and they for sure dont go back and set any missing property corners. I don't care what brand of equipment they use, if a company or crew wants to take a short cut and do a quick and dirty survey they will.

I would hazard a guess that those who decide to "Go Javad" are not of the flavor to do "quick and dirty" surveying. Those who bother to go this route, are looking for the very best they can.
And, I also would say that sorry sloppy surveying is done by people with a low ethical paradigm. And, this probably crosses all the equipment brands, and devices.
I am saying that Kent is wandering into territory, that he knows little about. ie, Javad.

May all quick and dirty surveying go away. Forever.

And, go with the best gear you can. I would guess this is one of your motives, for owning Javad gear. Do you have an LS, or are you running other?

I can do good work with TRANSIT and TAPE. I did it for years. I like modern equipment. Yes I do. So do all those who are seeking for respectable and honest surveying. Thanks for your comments.

Nate

Nate The Surveyor, post: 382841, member: 291 wrote: No Kent. I use Javad gear, because it is ACCURATE

Okay, so you don't care about working quickly, but you spend the money on RTK? That's novel.

I'm sure that it will be possible to implement a Locate-a-Ping feature that will give you that will give you multiple processing engines that signal when the location converges to within some tolerance that may meet Arkansas minimum standards.

Kent you are full of yourself.

I did not say I do not want to go faster, but I don't want to sacrifice accuracy for it. And, that's why I like the Javad. You are a word twister.

And, you put words out, that I did not say.

That is un professional, to say the least.

Nate

I once retraced a survey in Arkadelphia, that showed "Mag signal in pavement" at some 1/16th corner. I dug it up. It was a water valve, with a cap on it. It is non professional to RELY on a corner, without digging it up.
In fact, I got all wound up with the local Hwy Dpt. work center over this job. I went in there, with a 5 gallon bucket, and asked for some Cold Mix asphalt, because I was going to open the pavement. I simply gave them the Little Rock Hwy Dpt number, and told them to call and see if they should give me some. 30 minutes later, I was down the road, with my asphalt. They were not friendly as I left with my asphalt.
Opening pavement is PART of our duty. IF they don't like it, they should properly reference corners, and publish them, complete with offsets, or monument wells. O well. It is in the line of duty.

Happy Surveying

N

Nate,

We have some of the Triumph 1 GPS Units, and I would have made the same comment about the spray paint corner if any other company had a pin finder range pole. I am sure Kent has seen too many survey companies calling for corners that they never dug for, or looked hard enough for. Go back and dig deep is what I always hear when I can not find a corner. I do not believe Kent is putting down Javad equipment however I could be wrong, he is just going with the joke hey we got a hit spray paint it and lets move on to the next job. Now RTK VS Static VS Tape measure we all know Kent has an an opinion on which is the best.

Nate The Surveyor, post: 382851, member: 291 wrote: I did not say I do not want to go faster, but I don't want to sacrifice accuracy for it.

Well, isn't it a given that if you're using RTK you ARE sacrificing accuracy for speed? Most RTK users would say that all things considered, they don't need to have a really accurate result if they can get one that is close 'nuff and get it much faster. That's pretty much the whole sales pitch for RTK, right there.

This would be the exact same rationale for the Locate-a-Ping function. It would be so fast that it might well be adopted as a new standard!