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(@surveysteph)
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Hi everyone! Great forum you have here!

I hope someone could help me. I'm looking for a new setup since I'm coming from a Leica Builder 300 that's great for construction but poor for topos covering many KMs. I want a one-man networked rover. I was thinking a Trimble R10 with tsc3 controller and a subscription to CAN-NET. All said and done I'm looking at 40000$ and that doesn't include can-nets yearly cost.
The javad thriumph LS looks good but the software looks difficult. I need my non-survey guys to be able to use it too.
I've been searching for cheaper alternatives and I found geomax xpad for android(I already have a rugged android tablet) and it looks awesome for what I need, but I'm not sure if it would talk to an R10 receiver, a sokkia sokkia gcx2 or if I would need a Geomax one. I believe that smart-net is what subscription I would use for that right? The thing is I don't understand if its the tablet or the receiver that is used for the network connection and I'm totally new to GNSS. I'm basically looking for real-time centimeter accuracy and would love to have tilt compensation but it's not a must have. Can anyone steer me in the right direction; I'm burned out looking at all the options. Thanks in advance!

 
Posted : March 9, 2017 11:58 am
(@lee-d)
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The R10 is only going to work with Trimble Access or Survey Pro. You could probably get an R2 with Access on a Slate controller, that would be less than half I would think.

 
Posted : March 9, 2017 12:23 pm
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surveysteph, post: 417678, member: 12555 wrote: I need my non-survey guys to be able to use it too.

While there are big differences between all the various data collection software offerings available, I don't think you're going to be able to send anyone - surveyor or not - out with any of them and expect them to be productive without some training.

I don't consider the Javad software to be difficult, just complex. But it doesn't take much of a training investment to establish a few collection profiles that cover your typical needs, after which your can be productive and train others to be productive as well.

To paraphrase an old business saying, "No one ever got fired for buying Trimble." Javad is definitely a niche player at this point, but a formidable one. If the bottom line matters, you might want to take a closer look.

 
Posted : March 9, 2017 12:53 pm
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surveysteph, post: 417678, member: 12555 wrote: Hi everyone! Great forum you have here!

All said and done I'm looking at 40000$ and that doesn't include can-nets yearly cost.
The javad thriumph LS looks good but the software looks difficult.

Wow, the Triumph LS is around 13k. The Javad support team members also provide training and you could buy a whole bunch of it for the difference.

 
Posted : March 10, 2017 3:00 am
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I promise I can have an untrained person productively using the Javad LS in just a few hours. I have done it many times.

The live remote training is fantastic. We can observe, and control your equipment with an internet connection. It is like we are standing there with you.

 
Posted : March 10, 2017 3:13 am
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Thanks for the info but before I pull the trigger on a Javad(which looks better and easier after watching the youtube vids) can anyone weight in on geomax equipment and software? Especially Xpad for android. There doesn't seem to be too many user reviews for it and it's been a while since it's out... What about the whole can-net/smart-net thing; is that a receiver or collector connection? Will any receiver work with a subscription as long as I have data enabled on my tablet/data collector?

 
Posted : March 10, 2017 4:44 am
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I used to be all Trimble, but the web of interdependent products and costs let me to find other solutions. I have not worked at all with Javad so I cannot add anything there, however..

Before you make the decision, you may also look into Hemisphere with the onboard GSM or their L-band satellite correction service as a stand alone rover.
The S321 will run on Carlson SurvCE or MicroSurvey Field Genius, both windows apps.

https://hemispheregnss.com/Industries/Product-View/s321-gnss-survey-smart-antenna-1309
https://hemispheregnss.com/Atlas/atlas174-gnss-global-correction-service-1227
https://www.atlasgnss.com /

Can-net is delivered by the internet, if your receiver has a GSM modem on board, you can buy a data plan and configure it with the control software where you will manage the VRS - NTRIP caster management. Cansel will give you the IP address, port# and user account info. They will also give you a week evaluation account to test the feature. The VRS is somewhat limited in where it is effective, but can be used with nearly any receiver. On the other hand, the L-Band correction service is delivered by satellites so it does not require a GSM data plan but may not work with all receivers.

 
Posted : March 10, 2017 9:40 am
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Javad is a lot more simple than it looks. That's part of the beauty of the system, it can be as complex, or easy, as you want. I am much happier in the easy world 🙂

 
Posted : March 10, 2017 9:54 am
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If you want to cut firewood with an axe, it'll get the job done.
If you want to cut firewood with a bow saw, it too, will get the job done.
If you want to cut firewood, with a chainsaw, yes, it is more complex, and it requires some gas, and oil, and it requires that you gas and oil be mixed, and it requires you to work on it. Sharpen chain, adjust chain etc.
BUT, ask those who use them. Would they go back to a bow saw?
No.
We don't want to go back to a bow saw.

N

 
Posted : March 10, 2017 10:19 am