Arthur Nudge, post: 416441, member: 12531 wrote: You don't get it. In Florida surveying is still looked at as a trade and not a profession. We can't control ourselves so the government has to control us. this is the first entry in the state statute covering surveying.
472.001ÛÄPurpose.ÛÓThe Legislature deems it necessary to regulate surveyors and mappers as provided in ss. 472.001-472.037.
History.ÛÓss. 20, 42, ch. 79-243; ss. 2, 3, ch. 81-318; ss. 5, 7, ch. 89-137; s. 4, ch. 91-429; s. 83, ch. 94-119; s. 6, ch. 2000-332; s. 3, ch. 2001-63.Big brother is watching. Maybe I should be wearing a tin foil hat too...
Well, that's not true. Florida was a front runner in getting Surveying deemed a "Profession" and not a trade. They also regulate doctors and lawyers, so does that mean they are trades?? no, of course not.
I really don't get all the complaining by people that ARE NOT LICENSED IN FLORIDA.. why do you care?
FL/GA PLS., post: 416454, member: 379 wrote: Ummm I don't think so. Have you read this?
"PRESIDENTÛªS MESSAGE
I wanted to elaborate on what transpired on Friday, February 10th regarding the circumstances concerning the resignation of our
former Executive Director, plus other outcomes of our Board meeting on the 10th.At our Board meeting on Friday, which was conducted in Executive Session, the Board voted to seek the resignation of our former Executive Director, or, in the alternative, to terminate her employment. She chose to resign.
The decision of the Board was in no way an easy one, and no individual Board member was responsible for the decision that was made by the majority of the Board. Sometimes tough decisions have to be made for the greater good, and that is what happened on Friday.
In addition, further on in our Board meeting, which by then was no longer in Executive Session, Lanier Mathews resigned as Vice President and Lamar Evers resigned as District 1 Director. Both of them have served the Society long and well, and we wish them well in their future endeavors. Furthermore, District 5 Director Bob Heggan also resigned. Bob was a recent addition to the Board, but in his brief time as a Director, he contributed greatly. We wish him well in his future endeavors.
We recognize the reporting of CEU credits before the end of this biennium is of paramount importance to our members. Our Education Director, Rebecca Culverson, is on top of the issue, and we also have an intern helping out (grading tests, etc.). Please remember that in order to receive credit in this biennium ending February 28th, all correspondence course tests must be in the Administrative Office by Monday, February 20th.
As an FYI, we are scheduled to have a new server installed Tuesday afternoon, Feb. 14th, which means that the SocietyÛªs emails will be down during this system upgrade.
Thank you for your time and for your support of the Florida Surveying & Mapping Society.
Lou Campanile, Jr., P.E., P.L.S.
President"
Ok, I'll bite. What was the reason for that?
Tommy Young, post: 416443, member: 703 wrote: If surveyors in Florida can't control themselves, then they need to stop calling themselves Professional Surveyors and Mappers. Put them in with the carpenters, electricians and used car salesmen.
Now that just sounds like sour grapes, Tommy!
I'm sorry you spent all that time taking the test a few times and all that studying and never even got to pound it into the hot Florida sand !
Tommy, better update your info here, you are falsely advertising as a Licensed PSM in the great state of Florida! I'd hate to see you get fined for something like that.
Andy,
Two of the States that I am licensed in require CEUs. I am in inactive status in them due to inadequate tracking of Conference session attendance. It sometimes is not the absence of ongoing education, but the administration of its existence.
I think that may be driving some of our interest in the subject. Call it continuing to educate ourselves.
So I still list them as States that I have been licensed in.
Warren Smith, post: 416478, member: 9900 wrote: Andy,
Two of the States that I am licensed in require CEUs. I am in inactive status in them due to inadequate tracking of Conference session attendance. It sometimes is not the absence of ongoing education, but the administration of its existence.
I think that may be driving some of our interest in the subject. Call it continuing to educate ourselves.
So I still list them as States that I have been licensed in.
Well, I'be never had any problems with Florida accounting of my CEUS. And I waited till the last minute this year.
I was talking to Tommy's listing as being licensed in Florida, which he just said he is no longer a PSM here. If your other states allow you to say you're a surveyor while your license is inactive, that's their prerogative.
It is their prerogative. I list the States on this website in which I am licensed. I do not practice in all of them, but it remains a valid credential.
Interestingly, the California Land Surveyors Association has a voluntary program which does track continuing education. The points include membership and participation in CLSA chapters and in publishing articles as well as attending (or presenting at) seminars.
Andy J, post: 416465, member: 44 wrote: I really don't get all the complaining by people that ARE NOT LICENSED IN FLORIDA.. why do you care?
My posts regarding CEU requirements isn't meant to be an attack on what you all do. Personally, I've never agreed with the common arguments in favor of mandatory CEU requirements for license renewal. I believe it is incumbent upon professionals to commit themselves to a lifetime of education. I don't need someone with an abacus to keep track of my CEU hours.
That said, I do find Florida's requirements unnecessarily onerous. On the other hand, you Florida surveyors are free to change the rulz.
Off topic: I read the President's Message in the March issue of "The Florida Surveyor". I am saddened to hear of the dismissal of your Executive Director. Many years ago when I became the PLSC Executive Director, Marilyn was helpful answering some of my greenhorn questions. I appreciated her willingness to help me. I don't know why the FSMS board decided to keep the reasons for her departure secret by dealing with it in executive session. That doesn't sound right to me, but then again I'm not a member of FSMS.
It is standard practice to keep the reasons for such things within the executive session portion of a meeting. Public airing of dirty laundry, by either side, can result in very expensive legal adventures. The action of termination or acceptance of a resignation simply states what the action is to be and the vote is recorded publicly. There is no requirement to publicly provide the reasoning for the action. In the vast majority of the cases this is to provide some protection to the party leaving. In the Florida case it appears there was some very strong differences of opinion on the matter leading to the resignations of board members. Politics are not for the weak.
Well said, as usual, Gene! Nice to see you popping up lately. Your contributions are always appreciated.
I agree with your take on CEU's but it's not something I worry about much.
FYI....Chapter 472
472.031 Prohibitions; penalties.--
(1) No person shall:
(a) Practice or offer to practice surveying and mapping unless such person is registered pursuant to ss.
472.001-472.037;
(b) Use the name or title "registered surveyor and mapper," "surveyor and mapper," "professional
surveyor and mapper," "land surveyor," "surveyor," or any combination thereof when such person has
not registered pursuant to ss. 472.001-472.037;
...
(2) Any person who is found to be in violation of any provision of this section is guilty of a
misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
Warren Smith, post: 416482, member: 9900 wrote: It is their prerogative. I list the States on this website in which I am licensed. I do not practice in all of them, but it remains a valid credential.
Interestingly, the California Land Surveyors Association has a voluntary program which does track continuing education. The points include membership and participation in CLSA chapters and in publishing articles as well as attending (or presenting at) seminars.
Again, in your case it is a valid credential. In Tommy's it is clearly NOT.
Even Inactive Status requires the biannual payment of a fee to the respective Boards. Inactive means no practicing within the State, but allows one to retain the wall certificate.
Warren, That's great! I'm not debating your status one whit. What Tommy did was let his Florida PSM license lapse. He is NOT a surveyor in Florida as of yesterday.
Andy J, post: 416413, member: 44 wrote: so I can keep my shrine to Jobu?? whew!
We learned last October that Jobu isn't as powerful as once believed 😉
Eamus Catuli - AC000000
Andy J, post: 416465, member: 44 wrote: I really don't get all the complaining by people that ARE NOT LICENSED IN FLORIDA.. why do you care?
For discussion?
There are plenty of multi-state license holders or those who are thinking of becoming multi-state licensees that may benefit from a discussion of the hurdles of continuing education requirements.
It is most likely for economic reasons that if you are practicing in the NW Fl panhandle area that you become registered in the adjoining states and vice versa. I see that AL status as a FL CEU provider may facilitate the ease and expense of multi state license holders in that area.
In some areas, there are states who jointly host a conference to provide CEUs for attendees. Some are tri-state functions.
Why shouldn't it be discussed here, god knows everything else in the world of surveying has been posted here.
Anyway Andy...nice use of CAPS in your post. Very bigly done. Do you tweet too.
Tommy Young, post: 416440, member: 703 wrote: Once again, if the goal is to educate surveyors, there is no rational reason for denying a course that is the exact same as one that is accredited. The goal is making money.
Good grief, I took a course given by the National Geodetic Survey that I cannot get credit for. Someone in Florida printed out the material and is giving the course second hand, and credit was given.
So, to sum things up:
Florida will not give credit for a course given in person by Milton Denny, but will give credit for a correspondence course of the same subject by him.
Florida will not give credit for a course on the ALTA standards given in Kentucky by Gary Kent, but will give credit for the exact same course give in the state of Florida.
Florida will not give credit for a course given by the National Geodetic Survey, but will give a course on a second hand instruction of the material from the National Geodetic Survey.
Yes, it's a cartel, pure and simple.
You still do not get it Mr. Young. Florida is not allowing CEU hours to be awarded because the company, organization or individual offering the course did not follow the clearly outlined rules that must be adhered to where CEU providers and courses are involved. Don't blame the Florida board because you choose to patronize providers who do not follow Florida's rules.
Tommy Young, post: 416467, member: 703 wrote: Ok, I'll bite. What was the reason for that?
I havenÛªt a clue, but suspect someone with financial sense finally reviewed the books. The Florida Society went through this in the `80Ûªs when the then ÛÏExecutive DirectorÛ was accused of embezzling $130k from the operating account.
Gene Kooper, post: 416458, member: 9850 wrote: Reading through this thread reinforces my notion that Colorado has it right. Last time I checked, Colorado was one of four states with no CEU requirement for license renewal. We briefly flirted with an alternative to continuing education. Thankfully, we did not choose to enact something called "continuing professional competency". One of its main features was to require the licensed professional to describe the deficiencies in his/her practice and then tailor an educational program to address those deficiencies. The regulatory agency wanted those self-reported deficiencies to be typed into a state computer!
As to whether Mr. Nudge is licensed in Florida or not, I'm betting that he's done a lot of work in Singapore. 😉
Sorry to disappoint you Skippy. Happily licensed over 25 years. Have not worked in Singapore but have made a couple of trips to the Middle East to work there. I'm betting that you spend most of your time in the State of Confusion.
