Wrong On PA
> > Thanks for the input Paul. I haven't failed. This is data that I am collecting myself for a possible addition to a paper that I am writing. Please don't make assumptions that you have no clue about or sit there and judge. Just give the facts or don't. THANK YOU!
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> No offense Scott, but we can only work with the data given... and we as a profession are trained to question the source (Source: your stated premise, and the source of the data you collect) :-S
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> good luck on your project... and please verify the data you collect here
No offense, but that is the problem. I asked a simple question and really doesn't need to be analyzed. I be a fool to use hearsay in my paper (unless it allowed it). Some contributors gave links or specific area to find the information. I appreciate that. Some just the info, again... I appreciate that. But to judge one because of simple questions is just wrong. That is the problem on these boards. Everyone wants to pass judgement on others to raise their esteem of themselves and their peers. Geez... all I asked was:
Does your state require any formal education before you can be licensed?
If so, how much and what?
How I use that info was not part of the post and was it right to be judged on that saying that I've failed?
I could be mistaken; can't remember where I heard that but someone told me that they had tightened up on what 4 year degrees they'll accept.
Wrong?
That didn't prove it, Paul.
Expound on the "prior to 1991" part and you'll have it.
I figured the OP was looking to get into the game; I didn't read his sig stating he was already a surveyor. I saw "college paper" and silly me, thought he was a young fella. Any new guys on the scene will not have experience prior to 1991.
Finish what you started.
Until you do, and I think the OP will agree, you fail.
Welcome to the internet, Paul.
Scot, I Apologize
But for your own info, this Old Fart has trouble reading the fine print in your original post. Tonight I am wearing my computer glasses and must still lean in close.
Paul in PA
Matt?
Since the question was on education, I did not include the experience only option.
The before 1991 option is still viable in PA. For instance someone starting in the surveying field just out of high school would only be 40 years old in 2013. He may have never attended college or may be just getting into education now that the kids have mostly left home. The Old Law says your experience and/or degree must have begun before some date in 1991. I do not recall the exact wording if the degree date itself must be before 1991. Therefore if experience began in 1990 your degree can be 2010. It is highly unlikely there is anyone with a surveying degree before 1991 and who has not become a surveyor yet.
My own surveying experience began for the record around 1970, I'm not about to fish around for my application. I graduated Lehigh University in 1973 with a BS in CE with 6 surveyiing credits and began work at Bethlehem Steel as a field engineer doing considerable construction stakeout. Under the Law that constitutes as Engineering Surveys and could account for a part of the surveying experience. I got my PE in 1983 and in 1985 began to work in Engineering Surveying offices designing Major Subdivisons as well as deed research and office boundary analysis. In 1995 I decided to get the surveying license and got my experience organized, had filled out an application and even had the money order in hand. However when I looked carefully at my experience breakdown and the requirements I found found that I did not actually meet the 10 year experience only requirement. I had more than 7 years of Engineering Surveys, only 5 of which could count as 50% of the required 10 years. I had more than 5 years of office Boundary Line Surveying experience, could only apply it for 75% of the 5 year Boundary Line Surveying, 3 years 3 months. Since the law broke it down as 25%-75% office or field I needed some additional boundary line field surveying experience. So I began helping out a surveyor on a part time basis on Boundary Line surveys. I also picked up 6 surveying credits at an NJ Community College. I then picked up business and real estate law courses.
By 1999 I updated my appplication and applied under the Old Law with 10 years experience fpr the Fundamentals and Priciples exams. I also had the educational equivalent of the 2 year degree program that allowed apllication to the 3rd/4th year NJIT Surveying degree program. The PA Board came back with the opinion that the law shoudl read 10 years boundary line experience but allowed that with the 5years boundary line they accepted that I could apply under the New law for the FS only, If I did that it would reset the experience clock to zero and I was getting too old to continue that route. I politely declined and reapplied under the Old law with a BS CE and at leats 10 surveying credits. I believe I had 20-24 by then. I passed both parts in 2001. I have 42 surveying credits today and would need 3 more plus 2 other technical courses for the NJIT BS Surveying but am quite happy with PA. I may yet complete the degree but grandchildren are my current high priority.
When I took the exams in 2001 more than 50% of the takers were experience only applicants. A few years ago I spoke with a PA board member and there was still a large number meeting the requirements. In 2021 30 years after the 1991 cutfoff the number may still be significant.
Paul in PA
Scot, I Apologize
> But for your own info, this Old Fart has trouble reading the fine print in your original post. Tonight I am wearing my computer glasses and must still lean in close.
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> Paul in PA
I understand. Even at my old age, I have to use glasses. Didn't have this problem a couple of years ago. Uggghhh.
Scott, I Apologize Again
Darn, did not get the name right.
Paul in PA
It's Complicated
There is no easy answer for this state. The new law, however, clearly indicates that our future surveyors will need education. Eventually, the old law will cease to be an option based on experience. I squeezed in because, prior to 1991, I was in high school. Had I been born a few years later, I would have not been able to fall under the old law. I'm 42 now. Anyone older than that still may have a chance to fall under the old law, yes.
Washington State:
8 years experience only, or up to 4 years education for a Bachelors in Surveying (or Geomatics).
Degrees not required. There is an AAS program here at Renton Technical College. There is no Bachelors program in state, and thus no such requirement yet.
Anecdotally, the Board here will give a year's experience credit for a Bachelors in other fields (but not in addition to another Bachelors, 4 years total education credit allowed).
In Kentucky the following education requirements are in place:
"Option 1 – Graduation from a board approved program of four (4) years or more in land surveying from a college or university or Senior standing (105 semester hours completed).
Option 2 – Graduation from a program of four (4) years or more other than land surveying from a college or university of recognized standing plus completion of the 24 semester credit hour surveying core curriculum; or Senior standing (105 semester hours completed) plus at least 12 semester hours of the surveying core curriculum; or enrolled in such a program and completion of the entire 24 semester hours of the surveying core curriculum.
Option 3 – Graduation from a civil, mining, or agricultural engineering program of four (4) years or more accredited by the Engineering Accreditation Commission of the Accreditation Board for Engineering and Technology (EAC/ABET) or Senior standing (105 semester hours completed) plus completion of the 12 semester credit hours of the surveying core curriculum."
Copy and paste from the KYBOELS website. Taken from the licensure laws in statute.