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The Hubtack data in Kansas is taken straight from what has been submitted to the official record site which is the Archives Section of the Kansas Historical Society in Topeka.?ÿ All corner reports submitted to KHS are also to be filed with the county or counties for that section corner or quarter corner.?ÿ Thus, I obtain nearly all of this data while in the courthouse and do not need a subscription to Hubtack.?ÿ One can go online to see if certain corners have been filed with KHS.?ÿ If they have been filed with KHS and not provided to the county I tend to contact the surveyor and suggest he comply with sending them to the counties.?ÿ The standard whine is "But, KHS and Hubtack already have them.?ÿ That's duplication."?ÿ No, primary research happens in the courthouse and should be the primary source of all corner data.?ÿ Besides, it's in the statute

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58-2011.?ÿReport of survey, filing; filing of reports relating to altered or destroyed markers; reproduction of survey records; fees; land survey fee fund created.?ÿ(a) Whenever a survey originates from a United States public land survey corner or any related accessory, the land surveyor shall file a reference report for each corner or accessory with the secretary of the state historical society and with the county surveyor for the county or counties in which the survey corner exists. If there is no county surveyor of such county, such reference report shall be filed with the county engineer. If there is no county engineer, such report shall be filed in the office of the county road department............................................

 
Posted : April 7, 2021 12:28 pm
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Posted by: @paden-cash

The iowalandrecords site is probably why Hubtack doesn't bother with Iowa.?ÿ They add a few features, but that's a lot of money for a little convenience.?ÿ

County engineer offices (no county surveyors now) probably have corner tie books (I've seen the one in the hometown county) from before the corner records were required to be filed in the office of the Recorder. Those aren't in iowalandrecords so a surveyor may need to check in the office, but I doubt Hubtack would go back to those anyway.

 
Posted : April 7, 2021 1:05 pm
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I think Hubtack is a rip.?ÿ The reason I say this is a story...

I use to have a local Normanite friend named Christine Bittle.?ÿ Christine was a lifer at the OK Department of Libraries.?ÿ When I would go to Dept. of Libraries to pick through corner references (mandatorily filed by surveyors) I would talk to Christine.?ÿ She was about 75 and at the end of her career and a real peach to chat with.

Hubtack had somehow wrangled around to where the Dept. would mail them all the new corner records that came in...without them having to specify which ones.?ÿ And the task fell on Christine.?ÿ She was always covered up with running copies for Hubtack, which they only paid $0.25 each for, plus postage.?ÿ I asked if I could get the Dept. to mail me all new copies without me actually specifying which ones.?ÿ The answer was "no".

So basically Hubtack ties up at least one employee at the Dept. of Libraries just to keep them updated.?ÿ An employee that is paid with MY taxpayer money...and then Hubtack turns around and charges me for putting them online.?ÿ It's a rip.

I've tried several times to convince our local Surveyor's Society to provide the same service.?ÿ There's enough of us that pay Hubtack which makes me think there's enough money floating around to pull it off.?ÿ It falls on deaf ears.

It costs me 5$ to file a corner.?ÿ Then I turn around and pay a third party for a copy of someone else's filing.?ÿ

Have I mentioned it's a rip?

 
Posted : April 7, 2021 1:23 pm
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@paden-cash

My daughter always insisted in shopping at stores so that she could market their products by advertising on the shirt that I paid for.?ÿ Since then it has become popular with adults to do the same.?ÿ

Admittedly I am wearing a craft brewery T shirt in my profile picture.?ÿ It is the only advertising I do and good beer should be shared.?ÿ

 
Posted : April 7, 2021 1:39 pm
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@fairbanksls

That is funny. I grew up in a small AK town, and most of our clothes came out of the Sears catalogue. I remember when I started seeing all these kids with Nike shirts. I literally thought someone had given them the shirts. I was pretty confused when I found out that they paid EXTRA to advertise for someone else.?ÿ

Now, I put up with trademarks on my clothes, but I do not buy them for the trademark and I never will.

I don't even buy clothes with place names on them. I MIGHT buy a hat with place name, if the hat looks great, but I NEVER buy hats with company logos or such on them. If Topcon or Trimble or John Deere wants me to wear their merch, they can give it to me.

My exception to to the no-logo rule is if the item is cheaper than the one with the logo...I figure they are paying me to wear it in some way.

 
Posted : April 8, 2021 9:38 am
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@dmyhill

Somewhere I think I still have a hat I purchased in the original Wal-Mart store in Bentonville, Arkansas that reads:?ÿ When I die, bury me at Wal-Mart.?ÿ That way my wife will visit me every week.

 
Posted : April 8, 2021 1:01 pm
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@holy-cow

Which brings up something I've pondered before...How far is it to your closest Wal-Mart?

 
Posted : April 8, 2021 1:06 pm
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@paden-cash

That depends on which way we would be going to do something else and some silly person riding with us insisted we drop them off at one for a bit.?ÿ It's been nearly 20 years since either of us has spent a dollar at Wal-Mart.

About 19 miles or 27 miles or 28 miles or 33 miles or 40 miles.

 
Posted : April 8, 2021 1:16 pm
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In my current situation, with this bridge building company, the superintendent for the project is VERY knowledgeable about building a bridge but is, admittedly, NOT tech savvy. He says his company issued laptop is a "series 0" because it's that old but works for what he needs. He does very little by email. Most communication is through phone calls, text messages and photos. (He takes photos of everything!)?ÿ

Here's the kicker, he's 39 years old. He grew up with all of this technology all around him and yet wasn't exposed to much, if any, of it.?ÿ

I don't find this to be a "bad" thing, just interesting. All that being said, I am fairly technical so I get to print, scan, email, transmit, set reminders and keep the equipment up to date and running smoothly as well as do the hiring and firing. So far, it's not a bad gig and I'm happy I made the change. I do miss my people though, not going to lie.

Hope all of you are well.?ÿ

 
Posted : April 9, 2021 7:15 am
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@squirl

All is good here.?ÿ You're not missing a thing.?ÿ 😉

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I use to work in the paving business with a job super that had less education then I did.?ÿ But the man could tell the slump of mud by watching it roll out of the truck.?ÿ He could tell the moisture content and density of subgrade by watching equipment drive over it.?ÿ I carried a thermometer with me for checks on loads of asphalt; he would hold his palm out about 8" from the mix and get the temp within 5 degrees.?ÿ I learned more about materials from him in two years than some folks learn in a lifetime.

 
Posted : April 9, 2021 9:40 am
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Had an engineering professor that stressed the need for us to develop a "feel" for what we were working with.?ÿ Put simply, for example, would be to use an instrument to find the temperature of the liquid in a container that had not been heated.?ÿ If we put our finger in the liquid and don't immediately pull it out, whine, shake the entire hand around and beg God for forgiveness of our sins, the instrument reading should be a number in our comfort zone, not 275 F.?ÿ If it says 275 F, we know there is a problem with the data.

The same applies to all sorts of things.?ÿ What does it feel like when you put your hand in front of an airduct that is one foot square and the design criteria says you need a flow of 80 cfm??ÿ What if that number is 800 cfm??ÿ What would happen in a small room if you were adding air into the room at a rate of 800 cfm?

If water lapping against a dam will eventually cause the upstream side of the dam to assume a 1 in 12 slope what will happen eventually if you build the dam with a front slope of 6 in 12?

Construction people learn all sorts of things by feel that others are monitoring with instruments and processes.?ÿ They will learn over time that certain behaviors occur when materials are handled, shaken, pounded to what the test devices confirm to be the proper result.?ÿ I learned this while running soil compaction tests where a sheep's foot roller was being used.?ÿ Observing the depth of the punch marks left on a given pass would correspond directly to the results of my tests for soils or soils/crushed rock mixtures.

 
Posted : April 9, 2021 2:27 pm
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An example in the survey world of false data that should be evident to the operator is when a total station suddenly adds about 10 meters to a short shot.?ÿ You know the total station is about 30 feet from the prism but you are reading a number more than twice that number.?ÿ That has happened at least a half dozen times over the years.?ÿ One look at the screen and you know something is out of whack.

 
Posted : April 9, 2021 2:39 pm
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@holy-cow

It's not my parents riding with you then because they go once, about every 3 days (or so it seems). *facepalm*

I despise Walmart. Not sure why and no real reason that I can think of, just don't care for the place. That being said, it's one of the few options I have in my current location.

 
Posted : April 9, 2021 3:45 pm
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@squirl

When Mrs. Cow got her hip replacement the trouble started.?ÿ The first time she went into the place everything was fine until she paid for her purchases then started to leave the building.?ÿ An alarm went off and the wannabe cops grabbed her.?ÿ They accused her of shoplifting.?ÿ That not only infuriated her, it embarrassed her as other shoppers stared at her.?ÿ She showed them her little card that proves she has an artificial hip.?ÿ They ignored that until they finally decided that it was the only possible answer.?ÿ No one sad anything about being sorry or attempting to make her feel like a valuable customer.?ÿ That was her last time inside a Wal-Mart.?ÿ I decided that if I was smart I wouldn't go anywhere she wouldn't go.

 
Posted : April 9, 2021 5:12 pm
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Lost one while measuring storm inverts. I was only out $14. From time to time the price of smart phones was told to me from other crew members, and I don't think I'd want to lose one of them while out surveying

 
Posted : April 9, 2021 6:12 pm
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@holy-cow

Only if the #&$/ operator actually LOOKS at what he's supposed to be looking at.

 
Posted : April 10, 2021 4:30 am
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