lmbrls, post: 385703, member: 6823 wrote: One of my Daughter's was told
Since this is a thread about grammar and spelling I'll play spelling police and point out that daughters has no reason to be capitalized in that sentence, and certainly should not contain an apostrophe. One of my pet peeves is the use of apostrophes to incorrectly make plurals. The apostrophe is for contractions (it's time = it is time) and possessives (my daughter's friend).
lmbrls, post: 385598, member: 6823 wrote: I hope that if she sees this that she would always check her correspondents going forward.
Hopefully she'll check her correspondences as well....
I would never send out a resume without proofing it several times as well as having at least one other person read it. However, I still managed to let one go out to someone that I was seriously considering going to work for with an outdated phone number and e-mail address on it.
Nate The Surveyor, post: 385628, member: 291 wrote: Most of us have never worked with a woman on the crew. Much of the language on a crew is not geared for women. "Bull Prick" (thats a frost pin) etc.
Balls. That means 0+00. Would the language change, when a woman was around. I'm sure it would. Never worked with a woman on the crew. Should we learn that? Never thought about it. That's where most of the men on this forum are coming from.
The work was so hard, and hot and dirty, we never thought of bringing a lady along. Take better care of women than that.
N
As a woman on a crew I never worried about language that wasn't directed at me, especially language that was part of the job long before I showed up. People playing into the idea that I am delicate and need to be taken care of kept me out of some jobs I was capable of doing.
mkennedy, post: 385538, member: 7183 wrote:
I sincerely hope she never finds this forum and realizes what people were insinuating about her spelling mistake.
Why? Because she is female and might be hurt? Thinking that she needs to be protected from comments because she is a 'girl' feeds into the notion that she is too delicate for the work, besides having trouble with grammar and spelling.
I think it was Kent who said on another thread, that the best way to check for typos and spelling and grammar errors, is to hit the Send button, and after that they will become immediately obvious.
Lee D, post: 385724, member: 7971 wrote: Hopefully she'll check her correspondences as well....
Tough one there. I can't remember ever having heard, or read, correspondence pluralized with an "s" on the end.
James Fleming, post: 385591, member: 136 wrote: (with enough bananas I can train a monkey to run the gun) I looking for someone who has the potential to be a manager.
If I can't laugh right back at the registereds, it ain't fair.
Francis: It ain't D-E-R-E, it's D-E-A-R. And "Sarah" ain't got no two R's, King. Damn, you dumb!
King: It don't make no difference. She know what I mean. She don't read too good nohow.
And, when you write it, write it real slow because she don't read too fast, either.
In regard to coarse language, I think when in new company most people tone things down until they can gauge what is acceptable. However I have noticed ÛÒ regardless of whether being in the company of male or female crew - the toning down can only go so far when describing that certain member of the public (or oneÛªs own crew) that has a sixth sense for being nowhere else but in obstruction of the line of sight or otherwise interfering with a survey, namely ÛÏthat P****Û (rhymes with brick).
Having said that, I do recall that as graduate engineer my first job was working with surveyors, primarily holding the staff for optical leveling, and after a couple of hours on the first day the surveyor walked over to me and said "If I have to tell you again to turn that staff to face me so that I can read the numbers, I'm going to punch you".
Richard Imrie, post: 385769, member: 11256 wrote: "If I have to tell you again to turn that staff to face me so that I can read the numbers, I'm going to punch you".
How rude! I am sure that you, standing behind the rod, could read those numbers just fine!!
Monte, post: 385782, member: 11913 wrote: How rude! I am sure that you, standing behind the rod, could read those numbers just fine!!
To be honest, IÛªm sure I had no clue that those numbers and E-bars had any relevance to what the surveyor was ogling through the level scope. But at the end of those first days - after holding that stick, or the end of a tape measure, or standing around while the surveyor fiddled in silence with a total station set-up then chortled and snorted and vibrated in ecstasy when finally a button was pushed and it beeped and returned what must have been Sharon StoneÛªs phone number, or as instructed standing there statuesque watching a pole bubble not daring to look up until finally cracking after 5 minutes only to see that the surveyor had gone somewhere else like sitting down eating a pie ÛÒ I did not like surveying and was glad to be shifted elsewhere.
So roll on 25 years of civil engineering and ironically 4 years ago I started surveying to compliment the civil engineering design that we do, and in addition to levelling, now run RTK-GPS, robotic total stations, and depth sounders (starting 10 years ago) to get what we want for engineering. And so to put things into perspective, a year or two ago we did a topo survey of a flood prone small river barrage and pump station in the north of Fiji. I was the I-man using a manual Total Station and the R-boy was a local engineering technician diploma graduate. At the site there was a village and it had a substantial sign proclaiming ÛÏThis is a violence free communityÛ, and at lunch time after doing the station set-ups and taking some shots and screaming through the 2-way radio, I told the R-boy ÛÏIt is very lucky that the village and its sign is here, otherwise I would have punched you by nowÛ. After lunch he went up to his eyeballs with the pole in that river and when I saw him stumble I did radio-ask him if he could swim, his reply was ÛÏnoÛ. Two years later he is still with us. Whenever someone new participates in a survey, I tell them health and safety, environment and loss prevention, then the nitty gritty like if you are on the pole you watch and level that bubble and nothing else, if it is taking a long time, it is taking a long time for me to get the shot but I wont leave you and I will tell you when you can relax. Tell a person how it is and tell them why, get them on the instrument and they will know why, a lot of them get it.
I'm wondering if English isn't her first language?
I follow a lot of surveyors on Instagram and there are a lot of women surveying out of the US. Could explain the grammar and stilted language.
Nate The Surveyor, post: 385628, member: 291 wrote: Most of us have never worked with a woman on the crew. Much of the language on a crew is not geared for women. "Bull Prick" (thats a frost pin) etc.
Balls. That means 0+00. Would the language change, when a woman was around. I'm sure it would. Never worked with a woman on the crew. Should we learn that? Never thought about it. That's where most of the men on this forum are coming from.
The work was so hard, and hot and dirty, we never thought of bringing a lady along. Take better care of women than that.
N
Trust me, any woman that surveys can take care of herself. She can probably teach you a few new cuss-words while she is at it.
I spoke with a Texas surveyor at a conference this year and he had never worked with a woman and the company he worked at had never had a female RPLS. Turns out, he was particularly worried about a woman's need to access bathrooms. There was one other woman at the conference with me and we proved that day that a woman can hold it way longer than a man. We just laughed as the men peeled off into the bushes.
It is quite silly the reasons men come up with for not working with women in surveying.
Dan Patterson, post: 385464, member: 1179 wrote: How is this person a college graduate? She can barely read and write? What a disaster....this is what happens when EVERYONE has to go to college. The degree becomes meaningless. I hate to sound so callous, but someone who has earned a bachelor's degree in anything should at least be able to spell and use grammar properly...
Being a college graduate does not mean that you are capable of anything in the real world...
I heard the other day that 80% of highschool graduates in a particular state can not read. 80%!
headywest, post: 385882, member: 9223 wrote: Trust me, any woman that surveys can take care of herself. She can probably teach you a few new cuss-words while she is at it.
I spoke with a Texas surveyor at a conference this year and he had never worked with a woman and the company he worked at had never had a female RPLS. Turns out, he was particularly worried about a woman's need to access bathrooms. There was one other woman at the conference with me and we proved that day that a woman can hold it way longer than a man. We just laughed as the men peeled off into the bushes.
It is quite silly the reasons men come up with for not working with women in surveying.
We were doing a lot of pretty rough remote woods work.
I told her that if nature called that she would have to make do. She got a little irate at me and I changed the subject but she was still annoyed with me. It turned out, she never had to use the outdoors. She was a duck hunter and spent hours on end in a blind out in marshes.
Worked with other women on crews, they don't like to be on the bottom of the totem pole. Most would move up quickly to instrument person where they were very proficient.
I have seen utility easements "dedicated to the pubic" before. I'm still not sure if it legally exists.
But you get a warm fuzzy feeling when you work there.
James Fleming, post: 385591, member: 136 wrote: Two cover letters (or lack there of) with resumes I read yesterday:
Number 1:
Hello, my name is [redacted]. I am interested in the instrument operator position. I attached my resume. This is from a party chief with 10+ years experience.Number 2:
Dear Hiring Professional,I am writing to apply for the Instrument Operator position with AMT Engineering. My education and experience makes me a suitable candidate for this position. I have a land surveying bachelorÛªs degree and experience working as a SurveyorÛªs Assistant / Instrument operator for a private company here in the island of Puerto Rico.
I am a self-disciplined individual with the ability to make good sound decision and to handle the responsibilities required by this position. I can work in a fast-paced and unpredictable environment and I can provide quick decisions when necessary. I can adapt to different surroundings very quickly while maintaining accuracy and meeting deadlines.
I am physically fit enough to meet the demands of this job and mentally capable to handle the pressures that come with this position. I have the ability and confidence needed to accomplish assignments and to get the job done right. I believe that gaining valuable experience is key in the land surveying business and in my mind there is no better way than with AMT Engineering. I have seen on social media and on AMT's blog page how this company works as a family and cares not only for the client but for the community in general, and as a future land surveying professional and a caring person I truly desire to be a part of this great team. I would like to extend a thank you in advance for considering me as a possible candidate for this position and I hope to hear from you soon.
You can reach me by calling my personal phone at [redacted]. or through my email account [redacted].
Attached to this email is my resume, application of employment and also this cover letter.
Granted, A large portion of Number 2 is BS, but a lot of my job is BS.The thing is: 1) corporation do have cultures, some people are a fit and some aren't, and letting me know you've looked into my firm acknowledges that the candidate realizes that; and 2) when I'm considering hiring someone for an instrument man position, I'm not looking at their qualifications for that job (with enough bananas I can train a monkey to run the gun) I looking for someone who has the potential to be a manager down the road. I don't run on a technician - professional model but a paraprofessional or professional in training - professional model. Candidate No. 2 tells me right off the bat that I may have to teach him to survey and manage survey operations the way I want him to, but I'm not going to have to teach him how to write a business letter or survey report.
I would hire no. 1. No. 2 is a BSer too good to cut brush or dig a hole. I need someone who works for a living.
I believe it was on this site that I read the way to find spelling errors is to read the text backward without regard to what it says.
Dave Karoly, post: 385918, member: 94 wrote: I would hire no. 1. No. 2 is a BSer too good to cut brush or dig a hole. I need someone who works for a living.
Perhaps...But I've been doing this almost thirty years now and the hardest working, most self motivated employees I've seen have all been UPR survey grads.
James Fleming, post: 385934, member: 136 wrote: Perhaps...But I've been doing this almost thirty years now...
I suppose; you do have to play the odds....
But sometimes; when you bet on the long shot; it can REALLY pay off!
