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Boberg .45ACP

This extracts a round from the BACK of the magazine and then feeds forward to the barrel. (Makes for a more compact package.) Some refer to it as a "bullpup" pistol.
This will be from the first production run of 45s. Nine millimeters have been in production for years.

 
Posted : July 31, 2014 7:45 am
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bore axis seems kind of high. be interested to see what you think of the perceived recoil. also curious as to muzzle velocity with short barrel.

by the way, note to NSA - I sold all of my guns.

 
Posted : July 31, 2014 8:15 am
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I have never heard of Boberg. Where are they made? I am going to look at the XR9-S "SHORTY" 9mm PISTOL. My daughter bought a Kimber Solo (for no small sum of money) and we have not been pleased with it's reliability and finickyness(sp?) about ammo. She had to send it back to the factory and they replaced almost all of the insides except the barrel. It finally made it thru some clips without a FTE but she still had one but thinks she might have limp wristed it. Have you or do you know someone who has owned one? I don't want to do what we did with the Kimber- impulse buy because it looks so great and the brand has a good reputation- just to find out it has reliability issues.

 
Posted : July 31, 2014 8:21 am
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I put in an order for the Minnesota-made .45ACP based on the reviews I had read about the 9mm version. There's at least one, maybe more Utube reviews of that one. I don't know about the reliability of the new ones as mine is out of the first production run. The reviews say the 9mm has a mild perceived recoil.
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The 1911-type pistols are indeed famous for FTEs with a limp wrist. Sometimes it still happens to me in a match, during rapid/sustained fire.
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The Bobergs are pricey. Being a bachelor with all of my kids grown, no big deal. Note that the Springfield Armory XDs is made in 9mm and .45ACP at about ? the cost (made in Croatia). I have one of the 45s, and the perceived recoil is surprisingly mild. It's easy to handle, especially in self-defense (two handed) rapid fire mode.

 
Posted : July 31, 2014 8:34 am
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I guess that Kimber was pretty cheap compared to the Boberg- $800. Hopefully they fixed the FTE problem. I'm hoping I can reload for her. I just got a hundred Hornady XTP bullets and we have several hundred spent cases she ran thru her Kimber. Correction- I can reload; I hope the Kinber will shoot them- it's really finicky. She likes to shoot a lot and we cant afford to keep her in bullets without reloading.

 
Posted : July 31, 2014 8:53 am
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Dad wasn't very happy with his XDS-45. It's gone now.

These short barrel pistols are tough to make reliable. Small tolerances. It's said that the Kimber was designed around a specific bullet profile. Hmmm. No thanks. I've been personally pleased with the Kahr CM9 subcompact 9 I've got. The CW9 (I don't own one but have shot one) has a very manageable recoil. And I shoot them well. I'd like to give the CW45 a go. The charts I've seen don't seen indicate it doesn't give up much on velocity compared to a full size 1911.

 
Posted : July 31, 2014 9:00 am
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If you're reloading for your daughter to practice, the Hornady XTPs are extremely accurate at 50 yards, but a total waste of money for practice. The Nosler 115 grain Hollow Points are slightly more accurate than the XTPs, but are even more expensive. I recommend something like Berry's plated bullets for practice, especially at self-defense distances. They're dirt cheap and there's no difference in accuracy at short distances. Speer is pretty cheap, too. Sierra is NOT.

For carry, ALWAYS have factory loads for liability reasons.

 
Posted : July 31, 2014 9:10 am
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I had a trigger & action job done on my XDs before I even shot it. Also put in Tritium sights, too. There's a reason Custom Pistolsmiths stay in business. Sure helps reliability ...

 
Posted : July 31, 2014 9:14 am
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If you can reload for her, make several different types of rounds to find the one that her gun likes. Most reloaders make 5 of same load of powder at the low load setting and work up to the max load to find the perfect load. Sadly many guns are finicky with bullets. I have had some that don't like certain kinds of factory ammo but another one has no issue with. I like to reload and don't even come close to the dedication some go to find the perfect load for each of their pistols.

 
Posted : July 31, 2014 9:27 am
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is yours an XD or an XDS? I like the XD(M). the XDS just didn't seem to run as accurate as the full size XD.

 
Posted : July 31, 2014 9:39 am
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XDs. Plenty accurate for self-defense. I can group 5 rounds within the size of my palm at 25 yards with one hand. It's not supposed to be a target pistol, even with the trigger job I had done on it. I get groups the same size at 50 yards with my Clark Longslide 1911, but that thing is NOT intended for being a carry weapon. I can get even smaller groups with my Ransom Rest, but that's for testing the accuracy of hand loads. I won't be spending $40 for an XDs insert for the Ransom Rest though, because it's accurate enough in my hand "as is" for its intended purpose; self-defense.

Your Mileage May Vary ...

 
Posted : July 31, 2014 11:18 am
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Interesting reads.
How come none of you aficionados ever mention Heckler & Kock?

I've never had my hands on any of their handguns so I can't vouch for them directly.
But, if they are anywhere near the quality of their tactical rifles, I can't imagine going wrong. A [former] SEAL friend of mine introduced to me to his MP5-A2 (full tactical as you might imagine). The workings were smooth as glass and absolutely no play in anything including the folding stock.

 
Posted : July 31, 2014 11:47 am
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glad you got a winner! I know Dad really wanted it to work. It shot incredibly low at 7 yards and the trigger was pretty heavy (especially after the recall). It could be the two were related and he didn't spend the time learning the trigger.

Personally, I've become more attracted to revolvers. I do like 1911's. I just don't shoot them well.

 
Posted : July 31, 2014 11:47 am
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I've just never been much on tacticool. No doubt H&K makes fine pistols. I've held a few. Very similar to Sig, which I like a lot. Just not my cup of Hoppe's.

 
Posted : July 31, 2014 11:49 am
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> Just not my cup of Hoppe's.

TOO FUNNY!!!! 😀

 
Posted : July 31, 2014 12:10 pm
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For Conventional Pistol competition (Bullseye) they're worthless. Crappy trigger and not capable of 3-inch groups at 50 yards. They're great for people that compare H&K triggers to Glock triggers, but compared to a 1911 Bullseye trigger job ... lousy; too much mechanical stuff in the action.

In regard to MP-5 machine pistols, my son's piece is OK for a "full-auto," but he's got the "creds" to carry and I don't. (His is 10mm - only the U.S. FBI has them; everyone else's is 9mm.) I've shot it only once, and he had to stop me and move my left hand so that I didn't shoot off the tip of my finger! Sure are itty-bitty machine pistols. He tells me that's the most common injury sustained by FBI Special Agents.

SIGs are popular as "Barbecue Pistols" because you can get fancy grain wood stocks for them and they look nifty on your hip at a BBQ or when on office duty at a U.S. Attorney's Office. So I am informed. I don't know if H&K pistols are approved for optional carry by the FBI. I know that Kimber 1911s are OK for FBI HRT to carry, but they are famous for their failure rate because most if not all of the internal parts are not forged but are sintered. Several will fail at each Official Qualification Match, I am told.

 
Posted : July 31, 2014 1:04 pm
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I didn't know they made a 10mm. That's got to be quite the weapon.

You mentioned sintered parts (which I guess is the same as MIM??). Not too many guns out there not using MIM now. I suppose Les Baer, Ed Brown, Wilson are all forged. Do you have a preference for your high end 1911's? Some day I'd like to own one ridiculously expensive BBQ gun.

 
Posted : July 31, 2014 1:41 pm
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Can't beat a Colt 1911. That's the only kind I have - two of 'em. A Clark Long Slide (6-inch barrel & slide) and a Clark Hardball. Only place you can get a new Clark is Clark Custom Guns, Inc., Princeton, Louisiana. All of my Bullseye competition pistols are Clarks.

A new Colt 1911 will cost something south of $1,000. Get a Clark Colt 1911 and you can double that, at least. But it WILL group better than 3 inches at 50 yards with Federal Match ammo, guaranteed. (I can't do better than 5 inches with one hand - yet, anyway and I've been practicing for 50 years.)

 
Posted : July 31, 2014 1:48 pm
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I grew up shooting dad's 1911. Fine weapon to be sure. Near the end of my time in the Army they started playing with 9 mm as a replacement. Might have been nostalgia but I hated them.
These days I find old school wheel guns meet my needs. I can shoot my Army Outlaw 357 better than anything else I own and better than I need to. We have little bears in this part of Idaho...

 
Posted : August 1, 2014 8:37 am
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My sister in law who was a US Marshall in
Manhattan and Fl used a Sig as her ankle strap weapon, i forgot what she used on her hip.
My brother who was the archetype Gman May have had a Sig for the ankle and I don't know on the hip but he also carried a Mac10 in a shoulder flight bag. I forget what airline logo was on the bag.
He now restores and collects Colts.

 
Posted : August 1, 2014 9:25 am
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