The Board of Trustees is meeting to discuss the fact that the President was not authorized to accept the NCAA punishment, without prior approval of the Board.
This tidbit originated with our hometown newspaper.
My prior post is in regards to the University of Colorado.
I will answer the question regarding the Freeh Report. Freeh was hired by the Board to investigate and report on the coverup. Throughout the report there is conjecture and jumping to conclusions. There is little fact and Freeh's final answers are at times in direct conflict with the facts he presented.
Fact: Joe Paterno was found to be a credible witness that he did not know of the 1998 alegation and the Grand Jury said so. Other Penn State perpetrators alluded in statements that Paterno knew. No evidence to that fact was brought forth by Freeh.
Freeh took a lebelous step in basing his results on the hearsay evidence and not fact. What need sto come to light is who provided the guidance and direction to Freeh.
Fact: Freeh included evidence in his report that in 1998-9 Joe Paterno in his own handwriting recommended that Jerry Sandusky not have access to Penn State facilities with Second Mile youth. Yet Sandusky had a key to those facilities up until his arrest. Freeh sought not to find out how and why that was the case. Instead it was Joe's fault.
Fact: Reported by Freeh that Penn State officials other than Paterno discussed if Sandusky should be recommended for counciling. No follow up by Freeh.
Fact: After the 1998 investigation by police and a grand jury, Penn State officials other than Paterno state that Sandusky may no longer shower with youth on Penn Sate campus. In 2001 Sandusky is seen showering with a youth in a Penn State shower. Irregardless of what else occured that fact was sufficient to have Sandusky removed from the campus permanently. Again no follow up by Freeh.
At best Freeh's report was a guideline to follow in continuing the investigation, at worst it is libelous. I do hope his Law firm has a sufficiently large insurance policy. By my calculations the financial injury to Penn State easily triples the $60 million dollar NCAA fine.
The NCAA took the Freeh report as an admission of guilt not as open dialogouge and jumped to conlusions without any verification of the conjecture.
Paul in PA
Stop! Please.
ENOUGH!!!!
Stop! Please.
I can absolutely grantee you PSU is not going to sue anyone for libel, they couldn't be that stupid and looking to create a PR nightmare.
Stop! Please.
I have never been Paul's biggest fan. I have, in fact, expressed dislike for what seemed to me to be arrogance. I accept his arrogance as being typical of many engineers. It's annoying, but it's just one characteristic of engineers as a group. I realize that I'm profiling here :). I must say that engineers have other attributes that are more endearing, and I've known hundreds of them (perhaps an exaggeration) in my life.
Here's the thing. A lot of engineers, from what I've experienced, have a tendency to obsess; and that's what our Paul is doing. We know that, we wish he'd stop, but he's not going to.
Let him go. If he's offending you, what can I say, let it go.
BTW
A big "HI" to Robert Hill. Just wanted to let you know I'm back, in case you hadn't heard, you know, in case my "multiple posts" hadn't alerted you 🙂
Don
Personal Attacks?
Sounds like a personal attack. Might want to check the mirror. I disagree with his post, but is attacking him personally the answer? Seems you do that a lot along with your bud. You and your bud seem to team up and bully people. Wonder if that's what this board is about.
Personal Attacks?
I miss Mark R.
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> Fact: Joe Paterno was found to be a credible witness that he did not know of the 1998 alegation and the Grand Jury said so. Other Penn State perpetrators alluded in statements that Paterno knew. No evidence to that fact was brought forth by Freeh.
> Freeh took a lebelous step in basing his results on the hearsay evidence and not fact. What need sto come to light is who provided the guidance and direction to Freeh.
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Paul, thank you for yur response.
I am going to type this real s l o w a n d c o n c I s e so you can enlighten me .
It is titled the Freeh Report but since it was commissioned by the PSU Board, isn’t the liability assigned to them. They own it and I assume that conditions were set that they accept any liability for the report. It is P S U’s r e p o r t.
So you are saying that the Board of Trustees will fire the current president of PSU and hire a new president to their liking who will start a lawsuit against P S U?
Maybe the people targeted in the report such as the Paternos, Curleys etc can sue PSU for libel and maybe that would be a good thing to have the whole truth emerge. But, I think the whole truth might be more damaging.I can’t see them filing a suit against Louis Freeh.
watch out for what you wish for as they say.
It has been proven that Paterno lied before the GJ. You have your fact wrong. Grand Juries do not substantiate or give credibility to any witnesses testimony. They just hear the testimony and ask any questions that they may have to the witness and later in closed meeting can have the reporter reread the testimony for their vote of a bill or no-bill. It does not have to be unaminous. There are no hung GJ indictments.
Paterno was not a target or person of interest of the 2002 CRIMINAL GJ but merely a witness that was called. He gave his testimony. But I am sure that some of the local yokels on the GJ were gaga that they wer in the same room as him.
But to me, he was not a very credible witness because his testimony allowed Sanduskey to contiue his crimes. maybe that was part of his regrets that he had mentioned about doing more etc.
Penn State Did Not Fire Second President
But it appears certain PSU officials still are disregarding the Board as being in charge.
The Freeh Report did not meet the burden of preponderance of evidence required in a civil case and had no chance of being beyond a reasonable doubt for a criminal conviction.
The current president accepted it as gospel and true and pretty much admits he had no idea what ever went on.
This will be litigated till you are all sick of it.
BTW, there is great potential in this for some grand conspiracy theories.
Paul in PA
Personal Attacks?
". Wonder if that's what this board is about."
Keep wondering, Grasshopper, and check back in when you figure it out.
Don
Personal Attacks?
Very simple. Weak people, knowing their points don't hold water, so they bully those that have heart, and truth behind them. Solinski's rules for radicals. I pity you.
Personal Attacks?
I would not be here if they bothered me.
A surveyor's job is to report the facts as he finds them. It is a search for the truth.
Joe Paterno said he hoped the truth would eventually come out. I trust in his faith.
BTW, a Monsignor in the Philadelphia Arch-Diocese just received a longer sentence than the priest he covered up for.
When will the NCAA shut down Notre Dame football?
Paul in PA
Personal Attacks?
I agree on the truth. Seems we have many here that have no concept of truth. I may disagree on your issue, but respect your view. Good Luck my friend.
Penn State Did Not Fire Second President
The NCAA does not need the same level of proof as required in a criminal proceeding to fine or sanction a VOLUNTARY MEMBER of their organization. Yes, that's right, PSU is a voluntary member of the NCAA, and could have told the NCAA to screw off, and not given them a cent, then left the NCAA. It's because of PSU's desire to remain a member of the NCAA that they agreed to the sanctions. It's doesn't matter what PSU officials thought of the report, the fact that the NCAA believed the report is really all that matters.
For any football coach to claim they didn't know is completely far-fetched. These guys generally know most of the details of each others personal lives and for this to have not been mentioned throughout the ranks over the years is very naive thinking.
While I am not directly involved in the personal lives of my coworkers away from work, we share enough about what is going on in our lives with each other just through random talk to know each other pretty well.
Is there any possible way to block a single poster?
Here is an example of why we should have this option.
Beige
Beige - I think I'll paint the ceiling beige.
"Is there any possible way to block a single poster?"
Don't open their messages...
Personal Attacks?
> When will the NCAA shut down Notre Dame football?
Non sequitur (Latin for "it does not follow"), in formal logic, is an argument in which its conclusion does not follow from its premises. In a non sequitur, the conclusion could be either true or false, but the argument is fallacious because there is a disconnection between the premise and the conclusion.
Someone just needs to get over it and move on.
Penn State Did Not Fire Second President
> The NCAA does not need the same level of proof as required in a criminal proceeding to fine or sanction a VOLUNTARY MEMBER of their organization. Yes, that's right, PSU is a voluntary member of the NCAA, and could have told the NCAA to screw off, and not given them a cent, then left the NCAA. It's because of PSU's desire to remain a member of the NCAA that they agreed to the sanctions. It's doesn't matter what PSU officials thought of the report, the fact that the NCAA believed the report is really all that matters.
Finally, some common sense. I thought the next thing was going to be a discussion about constitutionality......:'(
Sure is alot of people whining and having internet moral outrage . Why not just debate him or not read it or not respond. Its funny to me when someone says ban him or block him . On the old board this stuff was all in good fun and provided for some lively debate. This is starting to be like a small playground with a few bullys demanding their way . Flame on
