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Since CA creates the cancers it will spread to other States too.
I assume that from now on no one will have to prove citizenship or right to work in the USA to get a professional license.
If you can demonstrate a nexus between citizenship and professional qualification, then this thread might have some legs. Otherwise, it's merely political, and will get taken down.
Ready, set, go!
No bueno S.A.
I believe this directly impacts our profession, just because you(Jim) may want it to be political doesn't make it so.
I wonder if an illegally owned business qualifies them for MWOB status??? So they would be prioritized on government contracts? I guess they cannot e-verify so there is that.
> I believe this directly impacts our profession
I'd be interested in your elaboration. Aside from adding maybe a handful of new licensees each year, how does it impact our profession?
Jim, I need not educate you or get banned for a few more years so I will leave it at that. Glad to be back, y'all have at this one.
It's pretty damn obvious to me...
Why do you make it out to be political?
> Since CA creates the cancers it will spread to other States too.
Old news here, see my posting from a few years ago and yes I think citizenship and licensing go hand in hand. Apparently NYS OPD did also. They lost
Residency
I know in MA you are required to be registered when you are a legal resident before you can become registered here.
In RI you do not need to be a resident to become registered.
Residency
How can you obtain the experience to obtain a license if you are cannot legally work here?
Residency
Gee, do you think CA is the only place that "surveys"?
Oh my Lord, the sky is falling.
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> How can you obtain the experience to obtain a license if you are cannot legally work here?
Ahem
Lots of professionals practice professions in a state even though they are not residents of the state. This is possible because for some professions, the place of practice is where the stuff the professional is examining, studying, and designing is located, not where the professional is sitting while practicing. If the boundary is in Michigan, the LS is practicing in Michigan, even if she spends most of her time in Illinois and mostly relies on field crews to visit the site. Same idea for an architect or civil engineer. Of course, occasional site visits would be required, and suitable visas would need to be obtained for someone who wasn't a US resident, but there is no need to be a citizen or permanent resident.
So if one doesn't need to be a citizen, and one doesn't need to be a resident, there is no need for the state licensing officials to even ask where the applicant resides.
In my field, electronics engineering, licensure isn't usually required, and the place of practice usually isn't discussed, but if you wanted to go by the location of the object designed, then I've practiced on Mars. No site visits were required.
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You need experience in the State in question. PLSSia, Metes&Bounds, Torrens, Case Law, Zoning and all the other goodies that are just a little different next door need to be learned.
An upstanding firm would ensure every employee was legal. Any less than upstanding firm hiring an illegal should automatically be turned into the board of registration when the illegal lists their experience.
> In my field, electronics engineering, licensure isn't usually required, and the place of practice usually isn't discussed, but if you wanted to go by the location of the object designed, then I've practiced on Mars. No site visits were required.
This is like comparing apples and oranges.
The laws governing the practice of land surveying vary greatly from state to state. Each state has a very unique set of laws impacted by individual dates of state hood and historical occupation.
I would be wiling to wager that that the laws that govern the practice of electrical engineering are not nearly as variable.
> The laws governing the practice of land surveying vary greatly from state to state. Each state has a very unique set of laws impacted by individual dates of state hood and historical occupation.
I agree that state-based experience is important, and I support the experience and testing requirements behind the laws that require them for professional licensure. What I don't understand is how citizenship has any bearing on the matter, as long as the experience and knowledge is reliably documented.
Immigration laws are federal, but professional licensure is a state matter. The need to make a decent living and provide for one's family compel many people from other countries to locate in the states without meeting the letter of the federal immigration laws. If they can demonstrate the same competency as citizens, I don't see any reason to deny them a professional license. In California, this is consistent with the policy that pertains to driver's licenses.
I was referring specifically to electrical engineering vs. land surveying.
I would prefer to leave the issuing of licenses within a state to be governed by the laws of said state. Opinions don't make much difference regarding controversial issues. The law as "written" and the law as "enforced" is what makes a difference at the end of the day.
> > in Californiastan
FIFY
> > > in Californiastan
In the largest state in the Union.
FIFY.
Does this mean they can have their license suspended if a court in their home country rules they aren't paying child support?
