Lucky for me I haven't delivered the price proposal yet.. I'm going to go back to the drawing board and look more at having a local surveyor on site for each survey. I'm honestly not trying to do anything shady and if it costs me twice what I had thought to get it done, better I know now than after they accept my low bid. Thanks for your input, I've got a lot of reading to do this weekend.
Are you on site for every project your crews do? Would you trust your crews to supervise me?
These are honest questions by the way.. not trying to be snarky.
Thanks for the response, I'm really glad I posted this and got such good feedback from everyone. I'm going to reconsider the estimate and read some state statutes and see what is out there. The overall response is clear, my original idea is not going to work.
There is another section of Ohio Rules (Administrative Code) that may reflect similar requirements in other states. Chapter 4733-23 Registrant's Seal, 4733-23-01 (A) includes the following ". . .Plans, specifications, plats, reports and all other engineering or surveying work product issued by a registrant shall be stamped with the said seal and be signed and dated by the registrant, or bear a computer generated seal and electronic signature and date. . ."
While your client does not require certification/seal/signature the laws and rules of Ohio would for the type of work you are describing. Given the previous citations you would likely be required to contract out the work and supervise the contract on behalf of your client in states with similar requirements.
Let's Cut Out The Crap, Who Is "gpc1" ?
"My goal was to be straight forward and get opinions from fellow professionals. I'm not sure what part I said that you indicated to you I was trying to pull something. I'm very interested to hear opinions on what might be necessary to make this feasible." Your words.
If your goal was straightforward you would have begun with your name, business name, location and actual qualifications and licenses.
Second you ask for an opinion then engaged respondees as they were in essence soliciting work from you.
You seem to express you have some special expertise, but indicate that your crew or crews, will do the field work, under other's non-supervisory responsible charge.
You offer a fee for some quality of work without any reference to work specifications.
So man up or get out of Dodge. Failing that I will request that you be banned from this board.
Paul in PA
Is This "gpc1" ?
I get a hit on gpc1 LLC, which sounds like some possibilities.
Gerald Kline, atty, 501 4th Place, Port Hueneme, CA.
GPC # 1 LLC, samw address.
Along with that hit Google throws in links to Angie's List "Find a fencning contractor".
This link may be the key "Mineral Rights Royalty" which takes one to Breitling Royalties.
Just a thought.
Paul in PA
Did you see the discussion on Leica total stations and Carlson software. Are you suggesting that you know this and all possible combinations to screw up? By reviewing after the fact?
It's too bad that licensing laws seem to prevent this, an individual, licensed in another state, and not even performing boundary work.
Do any of these states grant temporary licenses? I know of a few that have, for one project per year.
> Final deliverable do not require a stamp, but the licensed surveyor will be asked to review a work plan for each site, be provide the GPS adjustment report and raw data files, and the final drawing to review and be...>
I don't think that it would be legal in Louisiana but maybe someone can correct me.
If it is not legal here than I would think that the same would hold elsewhere. But there may be a grey area if you are contracting for consulting services but consults would not be recognized as "responsible charge" It is a little nebulous.
In the end, the surveyor furnishing the field crew/ calibrated equipment, plat and/or report must be in "responsible charge".
but.. if you want to pay some PLS $1500 to watch someone survey for a few hours and do basic QC then that is not such a bad offer. I would not call it responsible charge..
Let's Cut Out The Crap, Who Is "gpc1" ?
> So man up or get out of Dodge. Failing that I will request that you be banned from this board.
Banned? maybe not. Troll? probably
"I'm a sole operator with one employee.. "
Or maybe just an over energetic dude trying to create a new empire?
just watching with a smile on my face...
Per Diem And Travel Expenses Extra
Bzzt! This is where your intent to cut corners is revealed. You are just looking for an accomplice. Suggest you also hire a lookout and a getaway driver.
> It's too bad that licensing laws seem to prevent this, an individual, licensed in another state, and not even performing boundary work.
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I was waiting for someone to begin to look at this post from the very issue that it presents instead of attacking the post because of some arcane presumption that a surveyor from another state looses all measure of competency when they cross the boundary.
Here's a post regarding, what appears to be, geodetic control surveying with no connection to determining land boundaries. Geodetic control surveying is a universal concept that anyone with the skills, experience and expertise can conduct in any area of the country (and beyond) with little (if any) change in procedure. Geodetic control surveys are spec'd at a national level by the NGS; they're not even governed at the state level.
Yet, we have displayed here a cacophony of responses belittling the competence of the mere thought that a surveyor, licensed in several states, would somehow loose all of their competency if they should dare cross that invisible boundary between states.
I wonder how long "our" profession can keep up such a charade in light of the laws encouraging interstate commerce? Why can't a surveyor, licensed and insured in another state, conduct business in the state where the project is located?
The client here has developed a relationship with this surveyor, trusts the work they perform, and now is told that because he's crossed some invisible barrier he'll loose all common sense and dignity if he were to propose doing the same work, using the same tried and true methods that any one of us with equal skills would perform. That seems to not only defy logic but is rather offensive to the professional status earned by the individual performing the task.
How many states have a law that actually prevents this individual, licensed or not, from performing geodetic control surveys? What should change? Our attitudes toward our fellow professionals and any law that would prevent such practice.
JBS
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I don't actually have that many thumbs, BUT right on!
SHG
The question is about responsible charge.
Not much information was given about what the work consists of.
If the work requires a license in a given state then it is what it is. Editorializing about how it should be is not answering the question.
This is a sidetrack to the original question about dealing with existing laws. But I agree that boundary licensing should be separated from geodetic, topo, grading, and building layout, and if the latter activities are to be regulated their definitions need to be clarified. Some state laws taken literally would require a license for a carpenter to lay out a backyard shed.
Louisiana laws and rules are very explicit about responsible charge. They really drive it home and it isn't about showing up in the field and observing as a QC inspector or reviewing some reports.
As for the other issues of what is regulated as "surveying', they cover mostly all of the bases.
If the ever more popular anti-regulatory crowd objects, they need to step up and start waving their anti-regulatory banner about it.
After all it is just not surveyors that requires a state certification to practice their profession.
