I apologize if the engineering reference offends anyone.
https://heatst.com/life/man-fined-500-for-criticizing-traffic-lights-system/
Does anyone know if "Time" is referenced as strictly the work of a professional in any state?
Paul in PA
Just another case of the Man trying to keep Homie down...
The article I read said that he had stated that he was an 'Engineer' which is strictly prohibited by Oregon law unless you are licensed by the Board. It appears that he actually referred to himself as an engineer in a letter to the Board, a Darwin award move if you ask me. That other article mentioned that he had an engineering education in Sweden. Here is the link to the referenced article http://reason.com/blog/2017/04/26/after-challenging-red-light-cameras-oreg
John Putnam, post: 425713, member: 1188 wrote: It appears that he actually referred to himself as an engineer in a letter to the Board, a Darwin award move if you ask me.
I believe that was while he was trying to file a complaint against the city engineering department in Beaverton because he had discovered the error in the standard light timing formula used industry wide.
Just pay your wife's traffic ticket, Einstein. 😉
Most of these regulatory boards act like a cartel.
Once the fuzz heard the technical information their heads started to explode and the judge had to shut it down and delivered a guilty verdict..........:manhole:
I do wonder after reading the findings that if he had been a licensed engineer, would the ticket have been overlooked?
There are accountants and there are Certified Public Accountants. A person may have a job title that says "accountant", but they must not ever claim to be a Certified Public Accountant. Apparently, Oregon is being lead by a bunch of people with their heads firmly stuck up a certain body cavity.
The man said he was an engineer. If he holds a degree from a university that says he successfully completed all required to be awarded that degree, then he is an engineer. He is not a Licensed Professional Engineer, yet nonetheless possesses the right to say he is an engineer. I once worked at a place with over 50 people having an official job title, recognized by the US Army, including the word engineer. There were a grand total of two Professional Engineers employed there when I joined the staff, then became the third a year or so later.
We have all sorts of people on this board who profess to be surveyors but a minority actually possess a license allowing the addition of various professional terms to clarify that they are licensed.
The Oregon Board needs to wake up and join the real world.
Holy Cow, post: 425718, member: 50 wrote: There are accountants and there are Certified Public Accountants. A person may have a job title that says "accountant", but they must not ever claim to be a Certified Public Accountant. Apparently, Oregon is being lead by a bunch of people with their heads firmly stuck up a certain body cavity.
The man said he was an engineer. If he holds a degree from a university that says he successfully completed all required to be awarded that degree, then he is an engineer. He is not a Licensed Professional Engineer, yet nonetheless possesses the right to say he is an engineer. I once worked at a place with over 50 people having an official job title, recognized by the US Army, including the word engineer. There were a grand total of two Professional Engineers employed there when I joined the staff, then became the third a year or so later.
We have all sorts of people on this board who profess to be surveyors but a minority actually possess a license allowing the addition of various professional terms to clarify that they are licensed.
The Oregon Board needs to wake up and join the real world.
I wonder if the Oregon board flags down every train that passes through the state and cites everyone that calls themselves an engineer.
The board just doesn't like being embarrassed by a foreigner.
The Oregon policy is fairly standard throughout all regulated professions in the northwest. It is an attempt at an objective way to keep folks from offering services they have no business performing. At the end of the day you wont find a line that meets every common sense test.
thebionicman, post: 425726, member: 8136 wrote: The Oregon policy is fairly standard throughout all regulated professions in the northwest. It is an attempt at an objective way to keep folks from offering services they have no business performing. At the end of the day you wont find a line that meets every common sense test.
How was this fellow offering services to anyone, and I'm not talking about the part of referring to himself as an engineer. Is the board trying to claim a monopoly on the use of math and creative thought?
Let's suppose that there is a catch basin on a city street that won't drain because it's too high. If I write a letter to the city suggesting they lower it 4 inches is the board going to thrown me in the hooskal?
Is "engineer" a protected title in Oregon or just "Professional Engineer"? I mean we got software engineers, flight engineers, train engineers, operating "engineers"...we're gonna have to build more prisons to hold 'em all.
Tommy Young, post: 425727, member: 703 wrote: Let's suppose that there is a catch basin on a city street that won't drain because it's too high. If I write a letter to the city suggesting they lower it 4 inches is the board going to thrown me in the hooskal?
i'm generally sympathetic to your argument.
However to make the analogy work in this case.... rather than write a letter asking them to lower it you would have to state that your education as an engineer has lead you to look at the rational formula, manning's equation and all the design nomographs based on them, decide that by your computations they are all wrong, report the city engineers to the state board for using incorrect formulas, then contact the press and tell them that you have engineered the correct formulas and design criteria and everyone else is doing it wrong.
Tommy Young, post: 425727, member: 703 wrote: How was this fellow offering services to anyone, and I'm not talking about the part of referring to himself as an engineer. Is the board trying to claim a monopoly on the use of math and creative thought?
Let's suppose that there is a catch basin on a city street that won't drain because it's too high. If I write a letter to the city suggesting they lower it 4 inches is the board going to thrown me in the hooskal?
He wasnt offering services, but ran afoul of the policy designed to prevent it...
James Fleming, post: 425731, member: 136 wrote: .... and tell them that you have engineered the correct formulas and design criteria and everyone else is doing it wrong.
I am glad you posted that. I have been tempted to post some drawings from the TxDot Spec Book that shows how they are mis-calculating earthwork and have been for years. I can prove it is wrong. But if I had posted that, I could have been prosecuted for Engineering without a license so thank you for keeping me out of trouble.
Whew, that was close!:)
James
Shoot the messenger.... It's all ABOUT revenue... tickets, etc. Many cities, have been guilty of "rigging" lights, to make money.
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Nate The Surveyor, post: 425743, member: 291 wrote: Shoot the messenger.... It's all ABOUT revenue... tickets, etc. Many cities, have been guilty of "rigging" lights, to make money.
N
Thou shall not steal. The government hates the competition.
FrozenNorth, post: 425728, member: 10219 wrote: Is "engineer" a protected title in Oregon or just "Professional Engineer"? I mean we got software engineers, flight engineers, train engineers, operating "engineers"...we're gonna have to build more prisons to hold 'em all.
Taken for ORS 672 which regulate Engineers & Land Suveyors
672.002 Definitions for ORS 672.002 to 672.325. As used in ORS 672.002 to 672.325, unless the context requires otherwise:
(1) ÛÏBoardÛ means the State Board of Examiners for Engineering and Land Surveying.
(2) ÛÏEngineer,Û ÛÏprofessional engineerÛ or ÛÏregistered professional engineerÛ means an individual who is registered in this state and holds a valid certificate to practice engineering in this state as provided under ORS 672.002 to 672.325.
This guy had in coming. He stated in a letter to OSBEELS that he was an engineer. They warned him about calling himself an engineer and yet he continued to do so in a very public way.
If I told the medical board that I was a doctor and was not, would you still feel the same?
He mispoked.
Doesn't appear that he was trying to
profit from his work.
Merely trying to fix a problem which was based on his engineering background. Plus he wasn't surreptitious about his effort.
Maybe they could have fined him
$5 instead of 500.
But maybe there was more to
It than one knows.
Who
Knows...
Maybe all the fines from yellow/red light tickets would be vulnerable to
refunds in a class action settlement.
