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Describing a road in a Plat - Best practices

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(@dmyhill)
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I have moved to working in an office where I am the only licensed surveyor, and with COVID, the only person with any surveying experience sitting in the office. This limits my interaction with others. I especially miss this when creating legal descriptions.

I am writing a legal description of Landis Court SW, as shown on the attached picture. Through some yet to be determined operation, it is being transferred to municipality ownership.

Now, the limits of what exactly are Landis Court SW are not implicitly defined, but I think I am just going to do a metes and bounds around the boundary, including the fillets along Chatterton Ave SW and the cul-de-sac.

Anyone want to argue for using the centerline with some language that includes the fillets and cul-de-sac??ÿ

(I had nothing?ÿto do with the creation of this plat, BTW.)

Landis Court SW

If anyone wants to look at the original: McCormick Meadows, Div 2, P153 V33, Records of Kitsap County.

 
Posted : 20/10/2020 10:06 am
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Why not keep it as simple as possible:?ÿ All that part of Landis Court SW lying south of Chatterton Avenue SW as shown on the plat of McCormick Meadows, etc. etc. and filed in etc. etc.

 
Posted : 20/10/2020 10:21 am
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I agree with Holy Cow, or as it looks like, the C/L is shown on the dedicated plat w/M&B, call that and use the verbiage of xx.xx' on each side of centerline extending or whatever around the cutbacks/fillets/cul-de-sacs etc.

 
Posted : 20/10/2020 10:43 am
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I would keep it as simple as possible and reference the plat.?ÿ But it seems the municipality should tell you exactly what they intend to take possession of first-- Landis Court to the extension of the ROW of Chatterton Ave as shown on the plat, for example?

 
Posted : 20/10/2020 10:59 am
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Must be nice having the ROW monuments in the CL of the road, instead of at the sideline PC's & PT's.?ÿ Well, unless it's a busy road.

What is usually set there??ÿ Can't imagine a stone or pipe in the center of the pavement.

 
Posted : 20/10/2020 11:03 am
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If the right of way is adequately shown I would keep it simple like HolyCow suggested.?ÿ 123 Court as shown on XYZ plat as recorded.......

If there is some queston or confusion as to where the right of way is then a metes and bounds would be a better solution.

 
Posted : 20/10/2020 11:08 am
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@jph Newer subs in the Boise area have all the PCs and PTs monumented, both centerline and side lines.?ÿ From what I've seen it's a rebar and plastic cap or copper plug if it lands in concrete.

 
Posted : 20/10/2020 11:18 am
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@bstrand

Plows don't rip them up?

 
Posted : 20/10/2020 11:27 am
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@jph Not usually, no.?ÿ They'll be set a few hundreths below the surface so the blade passes over.?ÿ The caps don't seem to last long anyway though.

 
Posted : 20/10/2020 11:36 am
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By "transferred to municipality ownership", do you mean annexation or transferring an undedicated road to the public?

Either one of those would require a survey, monuments, and a metes and bounds description in my state.?ÿ

It's not something most people including surveyors know cause they probably haven't done one. I would be sure what the requirements by statute and regulation for an annexation or dedication are before proceeding. I've tried the "that portion of XX Street lying south of YY Street" type of description and it didn't fly.?ÿ?ÿ

 
Posted : 20/10/2020 11:59 am
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@jph

See detail below. In this case, the brass disk is set in a grout filled 2' long 2" dia iron pipe. the monument itself is about 0.8' of a foot below grade in most cases.

 
Posted : 20/10/2020 2:39 pm
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@mightymoe

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I do not know know the details. There are monuments, and a survey (subdivision plat) that shows the monuments (see picture in OP). The request for me was to simply write a legal. I am sure it will develop into more.

 
Posted : 20/10/2020 3:31 pm