Kent
by Keith, On the Central Coast of California, Saturday, August 07, 2010, 07:51 (3 minutes ago) @ Kent McMillan
Now you are simply being an a$$ and a fool.
You started this whole idiotic nonsense by telling me that;
BLM Retiree
by Kent McMillan , Austin, TX, Friday, August 06, 2010, 16:15 (15 hours, 17 minutes ago) @ Keith
And I'm sure that the BLM never, ever ordered the obliteration of some existing survey marker, eh? :>
and I responded;
BLM never ordered the obliteration of any survey monument, period!
and I further responded;
If you have proof of BLM ordering the obliteration of private survey monuments, bring it on!
So, what does Kent do; he brings up examples of BLM doing corrective resurveys in Wyoming. He simply can't tell the difference between his practice of pulling what he considers erroneous monuments that do not fall on his instrument straight line and
BLM who was notified that they missed a private survey monument and made the judgement to go back and accept that 2 bit rebar for the true corner and correct all the other proportioned corners that were consequently in the wrong place.
They pulled the 2 bit rebar, put it inside a standard stainless steel post, planted that post in the exact location of the 2 bit rebar, thus preserving the location and then moved the other proportioned corner monuments that were tied to this corner.
Now it does not take a whole lot of thought to see the intended confusion here and only Kent is confused and can't see the difference in how he moves private survey corner monuments and how BLM accepts private survey monuments.
Yes, Fauk, BLM uses several different types of monuments, some are galvanized, some are stainless steel, some are copper coated and do not use sticks and stones anymore.
This entire asinine sequence of intentional bad mouthing of BLM has only been to attempt to show that Kent's method of pulling private survey corners is ok?
Well it isn't ok, and I would like to see other Texas land surveyors stand up and tell us that practice is ok in Texas and that they do it too.
How about it, Texas land surveyors?
Are there any readers here from the Texas Survey Board and want to comment on this practice?
And to the kids that posted nonsense posts about me, get a clue!
Keith
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To the Top, really, AGAIN??
why do you insist on creating new posts instead of just continuing the discussion?
why do you have to disparage the work of that private surveyor that showed the BLM their errors? You should send him a thank you note.
I'll take a "two bit rebar" in the correct position over a brass cap that's wrong any day of the week.
:bad: @ "to the top"
#6
To the Top, really, AGAIN??
:good: @ Andy J.
#6
STAND UP TEXAS LAND SURVEYORS AND TELL US KENT'S PRACTICE IS OK?
Keith
I preferred your post down below. The bold text made it stand out more. This one is is just sad and boring looking by comparison. And for some reason, the lack of changing text sizes and bold, etc. just seems to make this one seem longer.
But I admire your willingness to argue this for a 4th day with Super Surveyor®. As for me, he is not worth the waste in time. It will not show him that sometimes you gotta leave an iron that you do not agree with. He finds himself perfect and incapable of being incorrect.
To the Top, really, AGAIN??
Keith is not disparaging the work of the private land surveyor.
The BLM used his position as monumented but replaced the monument with a much more substantial monument. This is normal practice for them.
Thanks GEOGIASURVEYOR for your comments.
And you are right, my post below with the bold does stand out better, but just wanted to start a new one up here.
And as we can readily see, it is useless to argue with Kent but his analogy to BLM and his practice is there for all to see.
Keith
Take it as a compliment. The only ones he appears to hold in as high a regard as himself is the BLM, that is why he wants to equate what he is doing to the level of the BLM keeping the public domain safe. Kent sees himself equal to the government! LOL
To the Top, really, AGAIN??
Thanks Dave, but as you can see, some simply want to bitch.
I do however, post "disparaging" remarks about 2 bit rebars.
Guilty of that!
Keith
Ah, he is always raggin on the BLM and maybe it is for the reason you suggest.
Anyways, I want to hear from other Texas land surveyors about Kent's practice.
If there is silence...........
Keith
To the Top, really, AGAIN??
Well, Dave, I think the fact that Keith can't even bring himself to admit the BLM surveyors made an actual error is important. He said..
"BLM who was notified that they missed a private survey monument and made the judgement to go back and accept that 2 bit rebar for the true corner "
As if they could have made the decision to ignore a monument in the CORRECT position if they wanted to!
Keith just has to call it a '2 bit' rebar, when in fact, the description of this monument on the plat in question makes NO SUCH remark.
It's called out as a 24" long, 5/8" rebar with an Aluminum Cap, set firmly in the ground, projecting 5" and stamped appropriately.
I don't have a problem with them re-setting the way they did, but let's not pretend they found some snaggle tooth, bent piece of wire hanger.
Unfortunately
This stuff seems to turn personal.
My original post that started this latest round was not meant to be a slam on BLM although I can see how it can be taken that way. We are still human and make mistakes and sometimes the mistakes can be corrected later and sometimes it's best not to correct them.
Obviously BLM is willing to put serious resources into correcting correctable mistakes and they put in decent monuments instead of the usual short piece of rebar with plastic cap.
Kent is careful to make his posts appear professionally written but his persistence tends to reveal something about his intentions. There's an interpersonal history between two people here and I think they should cool it.
I'm glad I don't live in a PLSS state, it seems to make people crabby. 😉
To the Top, really, AGAIN??
:good:
And
There's the sporting event mentality. We have two boxers in the ring and you get the other posters being the respective cheering sections.
The other thing about BLM monuments, if you don't know they've been there it's kind of hard to miss their monuments. They don't put a 2 bit piece of rebar buried 2" down that you don't even know to look for. They put in big knee-cap breakers that are hard to miss. Since I've been working on the government side I've put in some big obvious monuments. In the private land development business we would never spend more than 2 minutes putting in a monument, that would eat into profits.
Andy
https://surveyorconnect.com/images/uploaded/201008070054434c5caed3e270f.jp g">The 2 bit rebar that I referred to
Adam
Do you agree with Kent's practice?
Keith
See, that is the part I always liked
setting the monuments. I would make sure they could be found and would, especially in wooded areas, flag them up like Christmas! I wanted someone to know where I was opining the boundary corner to be BEFORE releasing my map. I never got the idea of why you would want to hide your corner. Isn't that what you are being paid for, to show the property owners what they own to?
Hey Dave
I am more than willing to "cool it" and the next time Kent issues an asinine post about BLM, I will simply sit on my hands!
How is that?
Keith
