Saturday's Corner, possibly some other Kent
> I do not think all the surveyors in the PLSS like Alabama and Indiana think the same way.
> That is obvious because Lucas and Gary Kent would not be on the seminar route trying
> to convince surveyors that their own methods are correct. You might get a different perspective at the TSPS convention from Lucas and Gary Kent.
I saw the "Kent" in the subject line of your post, but I realize you probably have some other Kent in mind since none of what you posted pertains to this Kent.
Saturday's Corner, possibly some other Kent
Yes Gary Kent
Hey it looks great, I hate those new ones that are buried. Set them flush, pile stones around them and ten years later they are four inches under ground. I've never set a stainless pipe that I can remember. Lots of aluminum on aluminum pipes and brass on galvanized pipes. I wouldn't do it any different except cover the old stone in the hole with dirt.
Yeah, the compass on my I-phone works great for that!!
" A famous surveyor in Texas named Darrell Shine said, 'Do not be proud when
you use or set a monument that disagrees with an old fence.'"
I had got to see a set of older survey notes (early 1900s) where a surveyor set his declination to record, using an old fence reported to have been standing some twenty plus years, according to an adjacent landowner.
Saturday's Corner, possibly some other Kent
The presumption that a fence is nothing besides a fence appears to be something that presides somewhere outside of Texas
Kent of Gary and Lucas of PLSS are interesting in their presentation and lacking of Texas and fences
When Darrell Shine presents fact that fence was built on location as evidence of original survey I will agree.
Sheeple, fences are fences and original surveys rule in Texas.
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Bonjour!
Saturday's Corner, possibly some other Kent
fences are fences and original surveys rule in Texas.
In the rest of the country, a fence is king and the original monuments are just there to help identify the real property mark which is the fence corner;-)
Saturday's Corner, possibly some other Kent
"Thank God For Texas"
To think that fence corners are to be referenced by where original monuments lie is backaswwards to me
Gimme me an original monument any day above having to rely upon a fence post or old wire in a tree or perhaps a ridge line or berm that holds back the rainwater
I would rather rely upon a wagon road mentioned in original survey notes than a fence because there were no fences at the time of the original surveys unless called for.
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Saturday's Corner Kent
"I think Mr. Day is riding a slippery slope by making generalizations about the hundreds of land surveyor that have worked for the BLM."
I don't have clue what you are talking about. The only reference to BLM I made was that when they do dependent resurveys they usually re monument found corners with new posts and caps. I've seen this thousands of times in their notes. Then the note will say something like left original stone alongside. And I've found them also, BLM remons with the original stone alongside the replacement corner marker. This is around Utah, I don't know how it is done in the Midwest. The BLM keeps good records, that's key. If all the survey work done was on record like at the BLM things would be a lot better in my view.
Kent from Texas is the one that diverted this thread into a cluster about fences. I don't know how many think I should have moved the corner over to the fence. It's an original corner set by a GLO deputy in 1872. It was found in good shape and I remonumented the position and are going to file a public corner record. This has nothing to do with boundary establishment or boundary by agreement or whether I respect fences or not.
GEEZE, all I did was post some pictures of remonumentation of an original GLO corner. Maybe we should ask the GLO surveyor from 1872 why he didn't line up with the fence.
Saturday's Corner, possibly some other Kent
At a TSA convention, short course, Bobby Hall, former member of the Texas Board of PLS,
said to the effect, if a stake was the original survey patent corner, he did not care how many
pipes or rods were near the fence corner, then the fence corner is the best evidence of the
original corner. I see his point. For myself, I prefer using the rod or pipe; I do not know
how many tines the fence corner has been replaced.
Saturday's Corner, possibly some other Kent
The fence corner was probably in place before any of the mentioned iron stobs and had priority
That does not necessarily give way to original survey retracement methods
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Saturday's Corner Kent
You did good. But the most pressing question I have is how you got the horse into the truck? Thanks for posting...looks like a great gig.
You did good LR. There was a time when BLM would remonument and leave the original stone in place i.e. 1930's thru about 1960. In most places out west, they stopped that practice later. I like your remonumentation but would have buried the original stone upside down and along whatever side you state in the record as a memorial. As far as leaving the stone in the mound for the next retracement surveyor to view as evidence, it must be a Utah thing. If a fellow surveyor cannot trust what you do, especially in filing the record, he needs to take a long walk off a short pier.
Pablo B-)
Saturday's Corner Kent
You just don't get it! You need two section corners. One for each fence line since there are two fences. That way everyone's happy. Forget that silly stone 😉
By the way I've seen it done-a monument for the west 1/4 of s14 on the east row of a county road at a fence corner and 40' north and on the west row at a fence corner a monument for the east 1/4 of s15. Ask the surveyor which one is the 1/4 and he says depends on which section you're in.
Saturday's Corner Kent
I use a couple of fold up aluminum ramps to drive the ATV in and out of the truck. You can see them between the wheels of the ATV in the picture.
> . . . I've never set a stainless pipe that I can remember. Lots of aluminum on aluminum pipes and brass on galvanized pipes.
Only thing I'd add is a $2.00 Deep-1 survey magnet in any non-ferrous pipe. Makes a magnetic locater sing!
Those monuments come with a magnet attached to them.
Filling the monument with concrete also makes the monument that much stronger. And it sounds like he did that, or he filled the hole with concrete. I will pack the pipe with material before setting those aluminum ones-just makes them a bit stronger.