Gooodmorning, how can I help you?
I'm an unemployed surveyor, looking to do some contract work. I can do all the field work, research, calculations, setting corners & cad drawing, etc- All you have to do is give me a project and collect the bill.
Are you licensed?
No.
No, I can't help you
Attaboy!
Think of it like this. You turned him down, and he went the the next person on his list, and they did not turn him down. So, now he is "under" another surveyor, and competing with YOU. I'm not saying you did not do the right thing, but I am saying that you pushed him under a surveyor with less morals than you have. I did the same thing, to another "Surveyor", several yrs ago. I have wondered it there was perhaps a better way to handle this sort of thing... ie, that would better prepare them to have a higher standard. Maybe this would be your only chance to talk with your "Competition".
Nate
Had that exact situation here. The local chapter of our society ordered a survey from him to see who was signing his work. The surveyor ended up at the Board. I had to testify at the hearing, ugly. The surveyor had his license revoked and the jackleg probably moved on to the next sucker. I'll never forget the board member who asked the surveyor if he had saved enough money to retire. You could tell where they were going.
What would you have said if he told you he was licensed!
NO! I bet!
Then you would have been on here complaining about all the competition.
> Gooodmorning, how can I help you?
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> I'm an unemployed surveyor, looking to do some contract work. I can do all the field work, research, calculations, setting corners & cad drawing, etc- All you have to do is give me a project and collect the bill.
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> Are you licensed?
> No.
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> No, I can't help you
Ring - Ring, NC Surveyors
By way of NC, They don't play around. I have read the board meetings where they enforce the rules they established, brutal. I really have a lot of respect for the state in those reguards. Other states like oh I don't know, GA, don't enforce crap, let crap slide and are a bunch of hypocrites. Kudos to Carolina. http://www.ncbels.org/boardnews.html
Ring - Ring, NC Surveyors
Yeah, he's right NC don't play. I remember being warned they were watching me when I first started doing this thing several years ago. I don't know why really. I always worked for well respected engineering/surveying firms. I never did anything nefarious nor did anyone I worked for - at least as far as I knew.
I remember doing that class for LarryP. The NCGS top-dog came by while we were out for lunch. Someone said he was looking to meet with me. Maybe he just wanted to meet the smarta.. that found an error in a math formula they had published. Tweren't no big deal really - perhaps just a typesetting error.
DIGGGGG....
> What would you have said if he told you he was licensed!
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Just curious, what if you had run an ad for a crew chief and had hired him? What would be different?
Good point Mr. Parsons. Maybe the guy was just trying to sell himself too hard, and was wording it poorly. Perhaps he was trying to say: "I'ms extremely skilled and when you get to know me you will realize that I can do exactly what you want and all you have to do is point me in the right direction and I will do a complete and thorough job to your standards with a minimal amount of oversight."
If there is any time to brag about your skills it's when you are applying for a job.
Tom
I may derail your thread, but this seemed like the most logical place to throw this out, based on the last comment.
You neglected to ask if your inquisitor had a 4-year degree? or was licensed in any other states? I certainly would not put my shingle up declaring to act as a stand alone contract surveyor in a state which I am not presently licensed in, but I have some questions that lead down that path...
At some point, I'm sure I'll have to send out resumes seeking employment, as the market bottom has not yet been reached in the swamp. I expect I will be seeking employment many states away from where I am presently licensed. In sitting for that state's exam, I am not an LSIT by their assignment of the title and registration number. I am qualified to sit for that state's exam by reciprocity, using my NCEES record and my 4-year degree. In sitting for the exam by reciprocity, the exam I am subjected to tests knowledge of the state's laws (multiple choice), and providing a suitable response to their essay exam which concentrates on title issues and legal descriptions. It is possible to pass either portion of the exam. Yet, I still would not technically be an LSIT in that state, until I pass both parts of the exam. 😉
If I should happen to seek employment there prior to obtaining passing scores on both parts of the exam, then how would I market myself? Even when I pass the exam, I envision myself working under a licensed surveyor to help me hone my skills in the colonial state. (I'm presently licensed in a PLSS state, having 10+ years experience with PLSS, much of it dealing with title issues, and reviewing mountains of title work provided by title companies.) I recognize the professional ethical concern with working outside of my area of expertise, but I also recognize that sitting for the LSIT and getting an LSIT number simply subjects me to the FS exam which tests nothing state specific. I opted to sit for the state specific exam to gauge my knowledge of the laws specific to the state, and to gauge my deficiencies relative to colonial title and descriptions based on adjoiners.
Thoughts? Analytical responses?
Anyone that holds the experience to do turnkey work can be a valuable employee. They must be willing to work within the environment and supervision of the license holder.
They can not be a contractor in charge of their own work for a fee.
I have given a few people the opportunity to do work in a capacity that gives them a lot of control of their methods and talents with an agreement for pay beyond the norm.
When they do not provide raw data and field data in the form of sketches and/or pictures and/or some form of notes the arrangement ended.
Another person, license for not, cannot expect total control of anything you sign.