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To follow up on several old threads from the past, one being this one:
https://surveyorconnect.com/threads/texas-and-oklahoma-line.256509/#post-256526
where the BLM is/was claiming land in Texas .

It appears they are now starting to settle some of the disputes:
http://www.texasfarmbureau.org/newsmanager/templates/DailyNews.aspx?articleid=22198&zoneid=1

>‰ÛÏWe're very pleased that the process has been able to work for you and your private land is coming back to you. I present you with a patent on behalf of the United States government.‰Û

>"Land and tax payments he's made in the past were counted in the calculations to determine how much it would cost for Henderson to buy back the disputed land"

I'm just not sure how the federal government or the BLM can issue a patent on land in Texas.

James


 
Posted : September 15, 2015 2:50 pm
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As BLM loves to point out, a federal patent is just a quit claim.


 
Posted : September 15, 2015 2:56 pm
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My greatest curiosity is simply, What state do they pay property taxes in once everything is settled?

James


 
Posted : September 15, 2015 9:46 pm
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I am licensed in both states and I understand how the boundary between the states can move but the BLM makes me want to do serious damage to them in several different ways.

I guess I need to read the court documents on at least one of these cases to see if they follow the same guidelines we have been taught.

:-@


 
Posted : September 16, 2015 10:52 am
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A link to a more complete reporting of this issue:

In Red River Dispute, "A Cloud Over This Land"


 
Posted : November 2, 2015 8:43 am

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Under color of title, patent is given for surface estate only. Subsurface rights remain with U.S.


 
Posted : November 2, 2015 9:18 am
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Not if it was never federal land to begin with.

James


 
Posted : November 2, 2015 9:43 am
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Are you aware that there are not any and have never been any sovereign federal lands in Texas?

The ONLY federal lands in Texas are those they have purchased or stolen. PERIOD. There were no Federal lands granted by the SCOTUS to the feds South of the Gradient Boundary on the South Bank of the Red River. Those that were not already patented belonged to the Sovereign State of Texas.


 
Posted : November 2, 2015 1:49 pm
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Then why is trust interest in a percentage of the O&G royalties remains intact for Feds?


 
Posted : November 2, 2015 1:57 pm
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Davey Edwards has a lot to say about this issue. He has a facebook page which I snipped this from:

Texas uses over 1,200 miles of river for an international boundary (Rio Grande) and over 800 miles for interstate boundaries (Sabine and Red Rivers). Private property owners have need for access to the valuable water that runs through these rivers.The Red River border has been the has been the item of controversy for almost a century. With the recent US Bureau of Land Management interpretation of the 1923 Supreme Court case decision between Oklahoma v. Texas, Te...xans have more to lose than just the claimed 90,000 acres between the 98å¡ longitude to the Clear Fork of the Red River. All riparian title along the Red River for Texas properties run to the gradient boundary of the south bank as defined by Col. A. Stiles as published in the Texas Law Review. The BLM claim would put in question the color of title and interstate jurisdictional rights for lands from Texarkana to Childress, Texas

The BLM seems to be trying to redefine the location of the south bank and make a claim on the minerals.


 
Posted : November 2, 2015 3:28 pm

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Because the Feds are Thieves.

What Federal Sovereignty state(s) are you used to working in?

Texas is not one and never has been.


 
Posted : November 3, 2015 11:20 am
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Andy,
Like I told Mr. Tanner, the Feds are THIEVES.


 
Posted : November 3, 2015 11:26 am
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Legally they can't. They can issue warranty or quit claim deeds, etc., on lands they have purchased or stolen. Though the veracity of the deeds on the latter is highly questionable.


 
Posted : November 3, 2015 11:29 am
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Here is another version of what the BLM is doing:

http://tribtalk.org/2015/11/17/why-the-federal-red-river-land-grab-matters/


 
Posted : November 18, 2015 9:16 pm