> Hello Sir,
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> I came across your post and being that I am a recent graduate (May 2013) of the program, I felt inclined to reply.
>
> .... I want to invite you to speak. I am positive many conference attendants would love to hear your opinions on the topic; I assure you that will be a great way to also reach out, in a productive way, to these aspiring young surveyors. My personal email is claudiabarrueta@gmail.com if you contact me there I can help arrange that.
>
Having had the privilege of speaking at that conference, I can tell you that the students do a first class job with the entire event. Well worth the time to attend if at all possible.
Thank you Ms. Barrueta for stepping in and providing a fresh point of view on the topic. Please do weigh in on other threads whenever you have thoughts. We (the profession and this forum) need a wide range of prospectives.
Larry P
NCPLS
Claudia
Don,
Seriously I think you should take her up on her gracious offer. I think you would have a lot to contribute to their education, and no I'm not being sarcastic.
Ms Barrueta,
Is it possible to get on the mailing list for the magazine without being an alumni?
> Ms Barrueta,
>
> Is it possible to get on the mailing list for the magazine without being an alumni?
Yes Mike, it is possible. I've been on the list for some time. They do a very good job with the mag.
Larry P
Claudia
Yes. I served as the editor while I was there. I mostly responded because I would hate for you, or anyone, to have a negative view of the program. There really is a tremendous amount of potential in the students that are currently there. I don't believe there is arrogance in college graduates. Personally I believe I currently work for the best land surveyor in the state and he doesn't have a four year degree in land surveying. I feel fortunate to have had the experiences I did while I was in school and it helped get me the job I have now. I have so much to learn; I literally learn something new everyday. I don't think my learning or lack of knowledge in certain things is simply because I went to college instead of the workforce. I think anyone who wants to be good at their job should be learning something new everyday. Even my boss who has been surveying for like 45 years says he's constantly learning things about land surveying, which is why I aspire to be like him (someday).
I've come across comments about surveying students/ graduates being arrogant in the past... I find them to be untrue. I think arrogance can be human nature ( in some) and I believe that characteristic is independent from a college degree. There is plenty of surveyors without degrees who are arrogant as well (I'm sure and I'm not implying I know any of course).
Anyways I dont believe we've met but I'd love to meet you! 🙂 Maybe the CLSA conference or something. Hopefully soon! Have a wonderful weekend.
- Claudia Barrueta
Claudia
> Yes. I served as the editor while I was there. I mostly responded because I would hate for you, or anyone, to have a negative view of the program. There really is a tremendous amount of potential in the students that are currently there. I don't believe there is arrogance in college graduates. Personally I believe I currently work for the best land surveyor in the state and he doesn't have a four year degree in land surveying. I feel fortunate to have had the experiences I did while I was in school and it helped get me the job I have now. I have so much to learn; I literally learn something new everyday. I don't think my learning or lack of knowledge in certain things is simply because I went to college instead of the workforce. I think anyone who wants to be good at their job should be learning something new everyday. Even my boss who has been surveying for like 45 years says he's constantly learning things about land surveying, which is why I aspire to be like him (someday).
>
> I've come across comments about surveying students/ graduates being arrogant in the past... I find them to be untrue. I think arrogance can be human nature ( in some) and I believe that characteristic is independent from a college degree. There is plenty of surveyors without degrees who are arrogant as well (I'm sure and I'm not implying I know any of course).
>
> Anyways I dont believe we've met but I'd love to meet you! 🙂 Maybe the CLSA conference or something. Hopefully soon! Have a wonderful weekend.
>
> - Claudia Barrueta
Well said! I spoke to Dr. Crossfield back in the day when I was looking to go back to school. Everything about the program and its curriculum seemed top notch to me.
Bravo to You Claudia, keep up the good work and develop thick skin:-). Because this age old circular argument is never going to end. I find utterly preposterous that anybody would sign on to a professional forum and have to defend being a College Graduate.
But it is what it is,
Cheers
Ralph
Yes, I get the newsletter
My work partner is a Fresno grad, very smart Surveyor. I'm the Chief and he is the rest of the crew but we actually work more as partners.
Claudia
College graduates rock! Well, some of them do. Some are less prepared than their compatriots who entered the work force for those same years. That is because some college students are driven to learn and aspire to do great things. Some others are there because mommy and daddy don't want their friends and neighbors to know all the incredibly stupid things their children are doing while trying to find themselves, so they pay for them to go away for a few years. Eventually, they receive diplomas and enter the work force. Those who wave their diplomas around as some symbol of superiority will not be received well.
Understand that this is coming from someone who did complete college in the normal timeframe while married and paying for everything, including diapers for the baby during the last 15 months prior to graduation. Understand that this is coming from someone who holds two professional licenses. Understand that this is coming from someone who had the privilege during the first four post-graduation years of working in an office environment with a number of respected co-workers who provided strong examples of how to work with people at all levels of competence and age. Proper oral and written communication methods were stressed. Courtesy and proper public presence were expected of all at all times. One of the very early lessons learned was how to communicate effectively while minimizing the usage of the personally identifying terms: I, me and my.
Please review your message, copied below for convenience, to find the 28 personally identifying terms. Go forth and sin no more.
"Yes. I served as the editor while I was there. I mostly responded because I would hate for you, or anyone, to have a negative view of the program. There really is a tremendous amount of potential in the students that are currently there. I don't believe there is arrogance in college graduates. Personally I believe I currently work for the best land surveyor in the state and he doesn't have a four year degree in land surveying. I feel fortunate to have had the experiences I did while I was in school and it helped get me the job I have now. I have so much to learn; I literally learn something new everyday. I don't think my learning or lack of knowledge in certain things is simply because I went to college instead of the workforce. I think anyone who wants to be good at their job should be learning something new everyday. Even my boss who has been surveying for like 45 years says he's constantly learning things about land surveying, which is why I aspire to be like him (someday).
I've come across comments about surveying students/ graduates being arrogant in the past... I find them to be untrue. I think arrogance can be human nature ( in some) and I believe that characteristic is independent from a college degree. There is plenty of surveyors without degrees who are arrogant as well (I'm sure and I'm not implying I know any of course).
Anyways I dont believe we've met but I'd love to meet you! Maybe the CLSA conference or something. Hopefully soon! Have a wonderful weekend.
- Claudia Barrueta"
Claudia
> Proper oral and written communication methods were stressed. Courtesy and proper public presence were expected of all at all times. One of the very early lessons learned was how to communicate effectively while minimizing the usage of the personally identifying terms: I, me and my.
>
> Please review your message, copied below for convenience, to find the 28 personally identifying terms. Go forth and sin no more.
:-X
Very nicely said.
Very true Jim.
I'll own up to being the fresh grad know it all many years ago. I was very fortunate to have worked on crews under some great guys who helped me learn without dampening my enthusiasm about surveying. I learned a great deal about applying what I had learned from those guys. On the other hand, I taught one of those guys how to set-up and run the GPS gear because another person at the office tried to hoard that skill set. I also taught a great deal about some computer software while there.
We all benefited from the others knowledge.
I have also seen the same arrogance out of guys who have a year or two of experience (or even 60 years) and think that they now know everything there is to know about surveying. So it is not a one-way street.
What?
cour·te·sy/?k?rt?si or for 5, ?k?rtsi/ Show Spelled [kur-tuh-see or for 5, kurt-see] noun, plural cour·te·sies.
1. excellence of manners or social conduct; polite behavior.
2. a courteous, respectful, or considerate act or expression.
3. indulgence, consent, or acquiescence: a “colonel” by courtesy rather than by right.
4. favor, help, or generosity: The costumes for the play were by courtesy of the local department store.
5. a curtsy
Please explain the concern.
Willy... I guess you are trying to say..
"The more you know, the more you know the less you know!"
RADU
