When you place a new corner and the client is going to fence to that corner, how do you advise them to place their post(s)?
They may want to pull your pin and center the post on its former location. That loses the precise position.
Or they may put the post as near as possible and inadvertently move the iron a small amount, leaving an inaccurate position with your name/number on it.
What do you recommend?
Well, sort of depends on what they, and the neighbor really want to do? If Im setting a permanent marker then I am also filing a survey for all others to follow. If the clients insist on one solid corner post then why not have them set the post, preferably in concrete and then add a stamped tag to the post indicating it is the common corner monument and note such on the recorded survey. OR set a monument online 5 feet away +- online indicating it is a witness corner. OR have them set two posts, each 1'+- online creating a 45 in the fence at the corner preserving the spot for the pin. The anchor post does not have to be at the corner to fence too it.
> When you place a new corner and the client is going to fence to that corner, how do you advise them to place their post(s)?
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> They may want to pull your pin and center the post on its former location. That loses the precise position.
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> Or they may put the post as near as possible and inadvertently move the iron a small amount, leaving an inaccurate position with your name/number on it.
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> What do you recommend?
On the few occassions I have been asked, I tell them they have several options, and strongly suggest they don't disturb the monument I set. 1) They can hire me to reference them & replace them (no takers yet), or 2) they can reference and replace them on their own, or 3) try to set the post far enough away to prevent disturbing the monument.
I have had several clients who have replaced the rebar with the fence post, and when asked why, they usually reply that they consider a solid set fence post to be a better, more visible, and more permanent corner marker than a piece of rebar. It seems that some landowners prefer accuracy and permanence over precision. Can't argue with them over that one.
Down here in “Florida World” we never run into that type predicament. The fence installers and sprinkler system installers are all self-proclaimed “surveyors”. During their installations, if they happen to wander close enough to a corner to dig it up, they will promptly “replace” it somewhere near where they think it should be. Makes re-surveys much more interesting!
Have a great week! B-)
I'm with Jered. Best case is to chamfer the corner enough to be tripod friendly.
Dave
Excellent question
I have set 10-foot offsets in two directions and noted such on the survey plat. Here in cattle country the hole made to place the corner post may be dug with a backhoe and backfilled out of a cement truck. One humongous, concrete-bound hedge corner post may have one, two, three or four half-miles stretches of 6- or 7-wire fences being pulled off of it with no brace posts. In order to leave an undisturbed standard survey monument would mean being four or more feet out of line with the corner. That ain't happenin'.
My personal favorite is to not have a single corner post at the true corner. I typically install a corner and brace going in one direction leaving room for a gate to swing to the corner. Repeat that in the adjoining fence line, thus eliminating the need for a corner post at the true property corner. It doubles the cost of constructing the corner, plus the cost for the two gates. But, I'm a proponent of more gates in fences, anyway. One common problem in cattle country is cattle somehow getting out of their home pasture and into an adjoining pasture. Especially long-legged bulls who can leap most all fences in a single bound. When they're ready to come home all you have to do is open the gate and push them in that direction.
I tell my clients that the main cost of a survey is to monument the property properly.
Build your fence and leave the monuments in place if possible.
If not, call me and let me document the changes.
They only time they call is when a neighbor does not agree with their fence and the monument is long gone.
Having witness in place helps and so does having a working point (hub) or other references nearby.
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I tell my clients to leave the pin undisturbed and dig the post hole near. I tell them that the next surveyor will (hopefully) used what is recited in the deed.
Some listen, some don't.
I recommend they do not disturb the corner. No one follows that advice. They dig it out and put it back next to the post in the concrete as close as they can.
Even my best friend did this while I stood and watched (shaking my head and protesting).
No one wants to lose 0.5'