http://www.highterra.com/pdf/MoroniB.pdf
Here is a townsite plat from South Central Utah. File is a couple Mb, may take a minute to load.
The notes where never recorded nor can they be found.
The town was first settled about 1860 and would have had a survey (not recorded in government records that I've ever found). Later this survey was required by the Feds to grant title to the town. Then the town would have deeded the lots to the residents (about 40 years later after first settlement).
With plat in hand, anybody willing to load up the data collector and send a crew out to survey say Par. 13? Or any of the other Parcels? Location is T15S, R3E, SLM. The section corners may or may not be found or are most likely non pedigreed replacements will be in place (likely by some proportion from nowhere).
If you can't consider occupation you have about nothing. Actually this will be an easy survey to retrace due to some work done in 1981 by another surveyor on the lot. Quit-claims deeds from every adjoiner including the town. Now if I can just find a couple of the rebars in place, be a simple retracement. 5 hours research in the county recorders office.
My survey is a parcel that includes parts of 17, 71 & 72 on the north side of the river which has changed course many years ago (some natural but mostly by man).
To tell you the truth Leon, that plat looks a little fishy to me.
I have a “nice looking plat” of another Utah Townsite, that has certifications by the Surveyor and Town Clerk, and dated in 1902.
ONE BIG PROBLEM....it's “forgery” (for lack of a better word)!
I also have the actual 1902 Plat (with the original certifications), AND a preliminary/working copy of the aforementioned “nice looking Plat.” The “nice looking Plat” contains a whole bunch of POST-1902 information (1903-1904 Railroad, and a 1943 State Highway), that WASN'T even there in 1902. The EXTERIOR boundaries of the Town ALSO “moved” some 250-300 feet between the 1902 Original, and Post-1943 “forgery.” Someone has generated a "NEW [post-1943] Version" of the Town Plat, and then transcribed the 1902 certifications onto it!!!!
Incidentally, this is the SAME Town where we found the parchment & ink map in the museum, which we believe dates back to about 1871 (which agrees with the REAL 1902 plat). There are also some plats/maps that probably go back even further, and they ALL agree with the parchment (so far).
Caveat emptor
Loyal
I can see that this could be a festival of law suits if the area's surveyors cannot agree to take occupation as a boundary and thwack in good monuments.
Better you than I.
I've had similar situations where within long term improved campgrounds, since post WWII, where there was no title exchange, merely a leasehold as shown on an undimensioned drawing, the "post that is my corner" governs until there is an objection.
When the objection and fight starts ................. as my surveyor grandfather said: "When there is a 'discussion' between neighbo(u)rs, at least the surveyor gets to leave!"
Cheers,
Derek
The scanned plat is of a transcription in the recorders plats counter book. The real (original) plat is there but no way to run it through the scanner. As far as I could tell the transcription has all the info on the original. I do have access to the original recorded plat without many bearings of distances. You do have the acreages though!
At least when the section corners "moved" the surveyor didn't try to move all the lot lines in the town also. He just added and clipped the boundary. Probably realized he'd get lynched (not always so in present days, might as well resurvey the whole area, what's a few disturbed roads, houses and such?)!
"Now if I can just find a couple of the rebars in place" statement scares the sh*t out of me. Leon you need to spend a little more time in research or rehab.
Pablo
I think the rebars mark a 1981 boundary line agreement. Nothing wrong with that.
> "Now if I can just find a couple of the rebars in place" statement scares the sh*t out of me. Leon you need to spend a little more time in research or rehab.
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> Pablo
Yea, that really sucks when you try to find evidence of a prior survey. Why waste the time, just "cad" everything in and run.
Run real fast.
Carry on Leon.
What I finally found (starting at GLO patent) was a survey done and recorded (as a notice to the public in the deed records) in 1981. Survey shows the boundary including reference to set rebars at the corners. Then quit-claim deeds using the survey description was executed with every adjoiner including the city (owns fee title to the streets). There must have have been money exchanged to create this parcel from the abyss. The lot created is totally new and doesn't conform to any original lot line other than the street should be in about the same place. So if I can find some of these rebars from that survey they are essentially original monuments.
Most folks in these parts would never expend the funds this doctor did in 1981 to clear up the issue (built a medical clinic). Problem is the original owner and now the new owner didn't keep track of the markers, so off to the excavating I go. The high majority of old parcels here don't have any described monuments. You have no idea what you should be looking for or if something you found means anything.
So I have a rare opportunity to actually retrace an original survey other than the GLO or a recent new subdivision. I did the research and if this hadn't turned up I would have passed on doing this survey unless the guy was willing to do something similar to what was done in 1981. Most locals wouldn't even consider expending that sort of money.