Was out looking for points along a newly constructed roadway. Supposed to be the R/w = existing r/w point- begin acquistion.
should have been a set of 4x4 conc rw markers.
I found them-
FX inspector's azzzz- it's what's for dinner.....:-@ :-@ :-@
sweet! set them where you want them to be.
Who needs monuments when you have new fence corners.........;-)
that looks familiar.
One of the so-called "C" monuments or CHC monuments we were looking for down in Rincon (San Diego County), we found it, just like that, lying on the ground.
C because they have the letter C cast into them.
CHC for California Highway Commission.
Gee, what jerks you have there for fence contractors. A lot of them around here are so considerate that once they're done building the fence, they will put the monument back in the ground right next to where they found it.:-)
What is 'the norm' when it comes to fenceing boundaries over yonder?
Here (Tasmania) it is not uncommon to pull the peg and put the post in centre of hole.
Some fencers then drive the peg back in beside the post or even cement it in with the post!!!
We are obliged to place suitable reference marks and its these marks that are the basis of perhaps the majority of reestablishments.
How do you say fence a subdivision in town at the common meeting of 4 lots?
Just curious
Those concrete monuments are so clean that they appear to have never been set in the first place.
They were definately in the ground up until last spring. You can see the soil line on the top one about 4" down from the "W". Soils there are dry sandy gravel.
It depends- on the fencer, the land owners and locales.
Some places don't allow you to put up a fence on the line- - mini setbacks. some property owners are consciencious about the their pins and watch out for them. ...
If I was to make a guess, the contractor placed them in the vicinity of where they go and was waiting for the Registered Surveyor to come set them in the ground.
Just a thought.
James
The markers had been set as part of the former 1955project. Haven't set concrete 4x4 since the mid 1970s.
Has anyone offered a "boundary law for fence contractors" course? A one-hour explanation of what those pipes, rods, and concrete markers signify, their cost to place, and the problems the landowner may have if they are moved might open some eyes.
That was kinda my point, Richard
It is quite common for fence builders to pull the monument and put the fence post right where the monument was. Although common, few surveyors anticipate and accommodate the practice, even when they can see it is imminent at the location they are surveying, by setting offset or witness monuments prior to fence construction.
I don't know if that comes from a hope for more work to later remark the boundaries, a stubborn insistence that fence contractors need to be more careful, or just not thinking about it until it happens.
Most residential subdivisions in this area have privacy fences installed along the boundaries as an item of initial development. Everybody in the new neighborhood has the same 6' wood privacy fences along their new lot lines. These fences are usually built at about the same time the stucco contractors are finishing the exterior walls and the sitework contractor is hitting his punchlist items.
Although these residential subdivisions are almost cookie cutter in execution, almost no one takes the fence construction into account when creating the plat and showing where monuments will be set.
Fence construction occurs just after or about the same time that the surveyor is setting lot corner monuments. Fence staking is never done as a separate item (at least I haven't seen it done that way).
I'll never forget setting one particular monument and what happened just after. It was in very rocky soil. I ruined two rebar trying to set the point, dug a few rocks out and put dirt back in, and finally got the bar in around the remaining rocks and bumped over to the right location with it still being relatively straight. Capped it and did a final tie with a mild sense of accomplishment. The whole thing took about 15 minutes just to set that one point.
A little while later, I was setting the back corner just one lot line over, and the fence guy setting string line comes along, sets a stake and string, then yanks the rebar out with a pipe wrench. I knew this was happening, but couldn't believe he did it right in front of me. He looked over, smiled, and in heavily accented english, assured me that it was OK because he would put it back when they were done. I just left, shaking my head and speechless.
When we were back the next day, true to his word, the fence guy had put the rebar back. it was sticking up a few inches from the concrete at the base of the fence post. Locating the rebar, we found it to be 3 or 4 tenths off, with the corner being somewhere in the wooden post. Many, not all of the rebar we carefully placed in the rocky ground of that development got stuck back into the ground near the fence post with varying degrees of care, and many were left laying nearby.
The LS who signed the plat and whose number was on the caps (the boss) didn't seem to care much, so I worked to convince myself not to care much either.
That was kinda my point, Richard
I saw that in Cobbleville (otherwise known as Folsom) a few weeks ago. A rebar proudly sticking up from the fence post concrete. It was off 3 or 4 tenths. It seems pretty useless to monument the back corners but we insist on doing it. The centerline control is all there and fits together beautifully (at least one Subdivision Mill Engineering Firm can set a centerline monument within 3 hundredths of its neighbor instead of the not so uncommon 3 tenths).
Dave
I think that even if surveyors recognized the futility of setting back corners and proposed to only set hubs to guide the fence builders, the local agencies would adamantly insist that all back corners be set. They would stubbornly ignore the logic showing that the vast majority of those mons will be destroyed and that many will be incorrectly replaced by laborers with little regard for the precision with which they were first set. The result is potential havoc when these lots start getting resurveyed when old fences need replacing. The agencies won't even notice that you made an argument worth acknowledging. In their mind, a surveyor proposing to not set back corners is simply trying to cut corners and short change the public.
And so the practice shall continue indefinitely. I think I hear the "SPCs as controlling element" crowd coming.
Dave
Yes I set 50 rebars in an office subdivision at the behest of that agency even though most fall in the middle of shared drives and parking lots and landscaping. I'm all for monuments but there are times when they don't really serve any useful purpose. I would prefer to set a sample of say 10% scattered throughout the project so the future ALTA surveyors can easily calculate whether the building is 100.25' or 100.26' from the property line. All of the buildings are more or less centered in the huge sea of parking lot all of which are shared with the other buildings out there.
Bill,
That's a good idea, but half of the guys building fences can't understand English.