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not-my-real-name
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While researching an old deed I found the point of beginning described as being about east of Henry Lovejoy's house.

Well I have an survey map from 1830 showing Henry Lovejoy's house being 80 rods south from the intersection of two roads. This is good preliminary evidence and I plan to use the distance to look for an old cellar hole there.

However, while studying that map, my eyes were drawn to what appears to read Mr. Deth at 40 rods further south along the same road as Lovejoy.

Perhaps I should avoid that area.

 
Posted : 07/12/2021 5:49 am
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Love, joy and death have been with us a long time eh?

On a side note:?ÿ I have been party to a few searches for old cellars.?ÿ One in particular was for a group of folks attempting to ascertain the location of an old schoolhouse.?ÿ An old photo showed the schoolhouse and the adjacent cellar.?ÿ The cellar purported remained for years after the schoolhouse's demise.?ÿ Armed with a few old grainy aerial photos and very little surveying a depression and a collection of old stones was located not far below the surface.

Subsequent excavation determined that old cellars in Oklahoma were probably used for trash burn pits.?ÿ A stand of stubborn elm trees had also laid claim to the site.?ÿ ?ÿ ?ÿ

 
Posted : 07/12/2021 6:46 am
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The 1830's had no permanent residents in my area of work.?ÿ Transient groups of various Indians, primarily Osage, might be found.?ÿ Two Osage villages in the area but the men spent much of their time hunting wherever seemed to be the best place to hunt.?ÿ When the women thought they might stay close to a certain area for a long enough period they would attempt some gardening.?ÿ A mission set up through the Presbyterian Church operated for a few years to educate the young.

 
Posted : 07/12/2021 8:31 am
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The 1830's had no permanent residents in my area of work.?ÿ Transient groups of various Indians, primarily Osage, might be found.?ÿ Two Osage villages in the area but the men spent much of their time hunting wherever seemed to be the best place to hunt.?ÿ When the women thought they might stay close to a certain area for a long enough period they would attempt some gardening.?ÿ A mission set up through the Presbyterian Church operated for a few years to educate the young.

Indigenous First Americans didn't settle here in central OK until later also.?ÿ This area was primarily Potawatomi and Creek.?ÿ Less than nomadic they settled quickly into permanent year-round residence.?ÿ The women tend to work daily at permanent jobs in town and the men keep busy arranging inoperable cars on their properties and watching cable.?ÿ AA meetings are held at the local Baptist Church.

 
Posted : 07/12/2021 9:38 am
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@paden-cash?ÿ

The operators of the Presbyterian Mission referred to the Osage men as being lazy, which may have been part of the problem with the longevity of the Mission.?ÿ When they were home with the family they did very little.?ÿ The management of the village and the upraising of the young ones was left to the women.?ÿ Men were hunter gatherers and warriors, if necessary.?ÿ The men viewed agriculture as foolish as they might run low on deer and other legged edibles and move before the harvest was ready.?ÿ This group had relocated from near Papinville, Vernon County, Missouri.?ÿ ?ÿHere is a quote from one source describing their lives while in Missouri.

ƒ??Their females perform the labor. The men do the hunting, go to war, and much of the time have nothing to do, while the laborious wife or daughter packs wood across the plain or brings water or plants corn and the like ƒ?? in short, does all the drudgery, while the men spend their leisure time in smoking and diversion.ƒ?

And, the "white eyes" thought they could improve on that. ???? ???? ???? ???? ???? ???? ???? ???? ???? ?????ÿ

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Posted : 07/12/2021 11:37 am
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@holy-cow?ÿ

I guess the more things change the more they stay the same.

From what I see around here it appears as though the Nations are evolving into modern entities while taking an individual perspective with the care of their members.?ÿ I'm particularly pleased to see them proceed into the future with a keen eye fixed on their past history and culture, especially their language.?ÿ ?ÿ

It's amazing what a few casinos can do.

 
Posted : 07/12/2021 12:07 pm
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Posted by: @holy-cow

The men viewed agriculture as foolish as they might run low on deer and other legged edibles and move before the harvest was ready.

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But wouldn't the garden attract the deer and other four legged edibles? Would certainly make for an easier hunt.

 
Posted : 07/12/2021 3:14 pm
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Posted by: @holy-cow

ƒ??Their females perform the labor. The men do the hunting, go to war, and much of the time have nothing to do, while the laborious wife or daughter packs wood across the plain or brings water or plants corn and the like ƒ??

That sounds similar to descriptions of Native Americans encountered in the Lewis and Clark Journals. ?????ÿ

https://lewisandclarkjournals.unl.edu/

 
Posted : 07/12/2021 3:25 pm
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@richard-germiller?ÿ

Much like the mighty hunters of today, the thrill is in doing it somewhere far away from home.?ÿ Maybe do a few things too that those at home don't need to know about.

 
Posted : 07/12/2021 3:31 pm
not-my-real-name
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Here is a section of the 1830 town map. Everyone

here has a first and last name except Mr. Deth.

1831 MAP
 
Posted : 08/12/2021 6:16 am
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First name is Kausuv.

 
Posted : 08/12/2021 8:30 am
not-my-real-name
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@holy-cow?ÿ

I should have known...

 
Posted : 08/12/2021 8:45 am
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Posted by: @holy-cow

First name is Kausuv.

I think he was the father of Earl E.

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Posted : 08/12/2021 8:51 am
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@peter-lothian?ÿ

Now I get it. I'm learning a lot on this website.?ÿ

 
Posted : 08/12/2021 9:59 am
not-my-real-name
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He was planning to claim the road as his own and charge people using it. They were calling it a Deth Toll.

 
Posted : 08/12/2021 12:55 pm
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