I pay $3 each for 1" x 18" pipes. Whats the monument cost in your area and what type do you use?
I'll bet there are plumbers, remodelers, steamfitters, or scrap yards in your area who could supply you with used pipe cheaply. The added apparent age of the monuments wouldn't be an issue when the pipes are tagged and records are filed.
Berntsen makes a really pretty 2" galvanized iron or stainless steel monument with bronze cap for 50 to 55 bucks. Give me a truckload of those 🙂
3/4" ID black iron pipe runs at that cost at Home Depot (3 per 18"). They also sell a metal concrete form pin with a nice pointed end perfect for driving.
We use 5/8"x30" rebar. The local building supply outfit cuts 20' bars into 8 pieces. I get 20 bars at a time. They've been running about $2 per 30" piece.
Paul-
We used to go to the scrap yard when galvanized piping was changing to copper.
Here's Ontario's survey monument by Regulation 219/10 where we can now use "High Impact" plastic bars !
I apologize for the #$%^& metric units 🙁
You can tell from that "High Impact" intelligence that there are plastic bar salespersons and desk surveyors that never have seen a 6 month old Golden Retriever tackle a plastic bar, demolishing it in 3 hours and nearly ingest the magnet or heard of rocky or frozen-like-a-brick ground and the joys of trying to permanently wedge a recalcitrant "High Impact" plastic bar around a rock !
In the mid 50s Ontario standardized the survey monuments to also include concrete monuments.
Then, a predecessor to this Regulation was 'born' that eliminated the concrete monument "because nobody puts them in anymore".
Well sports fans, "Nobody" still does, to a more limited scale and we still find them from 'ago', so now what, are they not legal ???
(Some persons ably demonstrate they are educated beyond the limits of their intelligence :-S )
While I'm at it, how's this for a brilliant, clear definition via a new Regulation, O.Reg 216/10 sez:
Definitions
1. In this Regulation,
"cadastral survey" means a survey performed by a licensed member while engaged in the practice of cadastral surveying; ("levé cadastral")
Kinda brings tears to your eyes doesn't it ?
Cheers and happy reading
Derek
MONUMENTS
Consolidation Period: From June 7, 2010 to the e-Laws currency date.
Last amendment: O. Reg. 219/10.
This Regulation is made in English only.
1. (1) In this Regulation,
"built-up area" means land that is primarily used or zoned for residential, commercial or industrial purposes;
"concrete pin" means an iron or steel pin at least five millimetres in diameter and at least five centimetres long;
"cut cross" means a mark in the form of a cross seventy-five millimetres in both width and length;
"easement survey" means a survey in respect of an easement that defines, locates or describes the limits of a parcel of land subject to or proposed to be subject to the easement;
"iron bar" means an iron or steel bar fifteen millimetres square and at least fifteen centimetres long and which, if sixty centimetres long, is pointed at one end;
"plastic bar" means a bar that is made out of high impact plastic, that is 25 millimetres square and at least 30 centimetres long and that has an embedded magnet;
"rock bar" means an iron or steel bar twenty-five millimetres square and fifteen centimetres long;
"rock plug" means a ferrous metal shaft at least fifteen millimetres round or square and at least seven centimetres long;
"rock post" means a ferrous metal shaft at least fifteen millimetres round or square and at least seven centimetres long with a bronze or aluminum identification cap;
"route survey" means a survey in respect of the fee simple of land that defines, locates or describes the limits of the land that is used or is proposed to be used for the route of a highway, railway, pipeline or public utility;
"short standard iron bar" means an iron or steel bar twenty-five millimetres square and sixty centimetres long and pointed at one end;
"standard iron bar" means an iron or steel bar twenty-five millimetres square and 120 centimetres long and pointed at one end. O. Reg. 525/91, s. 1 (1); O. Reg. 219/10, s. 1.
5/8" x 30" rebar about $2.00
> We use 5/8"x30" rebar. The local building supply outfit cuts 20' bars into 8 pieces. I get 20 bars at a time. They've been running about $2 per 30" piece.
That's not a bad price when you consider that a 20 ft. stick of #5 bar is about $9.00 locally at the lumber yard here in Austin. You're only paying a buck a piece for the cutting charge, which I consider about standard. Add a $2.00 Surv-Kap 2" Aluminum Cap with custom stamping and you've got a very nice monument.
> "plastic bar" means a bar that is made out of high impact plastic, that is 25 millimetres square and at least 30 centimetres long and that has an embedded magnet;
So, Derek, those plastic bars have to be nominally 1" square and at least 12 inches long? Exactly what sort of a rodeo are you fellows running up there in Ontario, anyway?
Iron pipe costs? Gordon
> 3/4" ID black iron pipe runs at that cost at Home Depot (3 per 18"). They also sell a metal concrete form pin with a nice pointed end perfect for driving.
It's been a while since I checked the 3/4" ID black iron costs at HD but I think they are quite a bit more in the one I go to. The metal form pin you mentioned I also would like to look at. Could you post a pic of that?
I prefer 1 1/2" or 2" dia pipes though. Bigger target to put those tiny nails and tags in 😛
BTW I use the 2 1/2" carpenters nails to anchor the tag in the quickrock filling. I stopped using those 3/4" escutcheon pins almost 40 years ago.
Iron pipe costs? Paul
I have been buying the 10' pieces of black iron pipe (3/4 OD) at Home Depot and then cut it to length with my chop saw. I used to go to a local shop that cut rebar with a hydraulic shear and they had precut bundles of number 5 rebar for form stakes, however they went to number 4 rebar for that purpose and now you have to order the number 5 and have it cut by work order and the price went up (used to be 55 cents per pin). I cannot find the concrete metal nail pins on the Home Depot web site, but they have a couple different lengths in the same aisle as the concrete mix. Check it out next time you shop.
Iron pipe costs? Gordon
> The metal form pin you mentioned I also would like to look at. Could you post a pic of that?
I use the 3/4"x24" and 3/4"x36" versions of the nail stakes that Gordon mentioned. I usually get them at my local lumber yard, though sometimes I'll pick them up at Home Depot. I don't recall what they cost.
They look like this, only black:
As long as I use a driving cap during installation, a plastic cap goes on nicely.
Iron pipe costs? Paul
I think the HD website only has items that they can ship to you.
A lot of the items in the store they won't ship to you probably due to size or weight so they aren't on the website.
5/8" Rebar X 30"
I just bought 96 pieces at $1.52 each. Delivered.
Rick
I use 1/2" rebar, and by it in 20' sticks. I forget the price per stick, but it works out to about $0.50 per 18" piece. I cut it with my chop saw.
I also recently bought 1 stick of 5/8" for $9.XX, and cut it was less than $15 for 10, 2' long pieces. I had this one cut at the lumber yard, as my trailer for the 20' stick was loaded with something else, and time was short for a quick trip for a new project.
Sorry, don't use pipe here.
I buy 5/8" x 18" rebar cut from a steel company for about $0.50 each in bundles of 50. All I have to do is give them about 3 hours notice and pick them up. This reminds me that I need to order some tomorrow.
> I pay $3 each for 1" x 18" pipes. Whats the monument cost in your area and what type do you use?
I think 3/4" x 10' here is about $18± at Home Depot and Lowe's. They are pretty close in price. That's black or galvanized, either one. So yours would cost about $2.70 a piece here.
I've been buying 1/2" x 10' pieces of galvanized pipe here and I think they run about $16± each. But, I like to cut my pipe into different lengths, the shortest being 24". I'm debating now whether to buy 1/2" or 3/4" for my next purchase.
I set a 5/8" x 30" rebar at a lot corner in Radford Friday a week ago... I forgot how stout those things were... I've set hundreds of those over the years, and they never seemed as unruly as this one did... I guess a lot of it was I was carrying my robotic pole with DC, 8lb sledge, 36" piece of PVC for a "McMillan" witness. I had my hands full for sure.
Carl
