I found a rotted wooden surveyor's stake, so I know I'm close, within a foot or so.
Next he will do his own dentistry ?
Cheers
Derek
Charlotte surveyor Jim Massman emailed to pitch the idea that every real estate deal should include a new survey.
Why? He explains it this way: "It's as if the insurance company looked at an old, old x-ray of you and decided, 'Looks good. We'll just go ahead and issue new life insurance...' "
This surveyor is actually recommending that this guy rent a metal detector to find his own corners. Hasn't this been discussed ad nauseam on this message board with most people arguing how awful an idea it is?
How many times have you just located an iron for a property owner without checking the adjacent lots to make sure the iron is actually a property corner? 😉
May I clarify?
The question posed to me was: "so if I want to find the actual corner, how would I do that"? Not survey...find.
He thought the wooden stake was the corner. I explained that he would need a metal detector of some sort in order to find the actual corner, and that even then, that may not BE the corner. A surveyor should then be called to verify that it IS the corner and not an old ground rod or reference stake set at the curbline.
If you read my post again, you'll note that I mentioned a couple of things he said made me wince. That certainly was one of them.
Our interview was by phone and I didn't have the oppportunity to proof his article before it went to press. You will note that he said, as I told him, you don't know what you're finding.
Having a conversation interpreted and then reduced to writing is like that old game of telephone. It sounds right when you say it and comes back to you with some twists!
Compared to many newspaper articles I've read where I knew the original story myself, I'd say you got a pretty good outcome. At least nothing is flat out wrong, only shifts of nuance and lost details.
Condensing a conversation into an article means you are totally at their mercy as to what gets taken out of context (even if the reporter is well intentioned), and being interviewed is a very dangerous game to play if the stakes are significant.
> Having a conversation interpreted and then reduced to writing is like that old game of telephone. It sounds right when you say it and comes back to you with some twists!
Ahhhh.... The old "taken out of context" rouse....
Sure, sure JB... 😉
Have a good Monday!!
Carl
I found a rotted wooden surveyor's stake, so I know I'm close, within a foot or so.
The original corner, may have all ready been found, not all corners are pipes, pins, or other metallic objects. Research & verification, by a "Professional Surveyor" are indeed needed.
I found weathered lath lying within 10 feet of hubs today. Was back on a partition project that was last visited 2yrs ago.
180ac hill and bottom land pasture with horses and cows. A few lath were stomped to pieces as is common way livestock treat lath.
So, the stakes may not have even been for monuments.
😉
They are supposed to be, at least in my state.
"All monuments, natural and artificial (man-made), found or set shall be shown and described on the survey plat. The monuments shall be noted as found or set. All monuments set shall be ferrous metal, or contain ferrous metal, not less than 1/2 inch in diameter, and not less than eighteen inches in length. All corners shall be monumented, either by a found monument clearly described on the survey plat, or by a monument set as described above, except however, a corner which falls in a creek, stream or ditch, in a gravel or asphalt road or upon solid rock, concrete or other like materials shall be marked in a permanent manner and clearly identified on the plat or witnessed by Witness Corners. Witness Corners shall be set whenever a corner monument cannot be set or is likely to be disturbed. Such witness corners shall be set as close as practical to the true corner and shall meet the same physical standards that would be required for the true corner were it set. If only one (1) witness corner is set, it must be set on the actual boundary line or prolongation thereof. Otherwise, at least two (2) witness corners shall be set and so noted on the plat of the survey. Courses that intersect a creek, stream, ditch or the center of a public road that is to be used as a boundary of the parcel being surveyed, should have witness corners set on the line intersecting same, and be clearly shown on the plat. Concrete right-of-way markers may be acceptable as monuments on all roadways, streets, and utility rights-of-way, and may be placed only at points where right-of-way width or direction change."
In Ohio it's:
OAC 4733-37-03 Monumentation.
(A) The surveyor shall set boundary monuments so that, upon completion of the survey, each corner of the property and each referenced control station will be physically monumented.
(B) When it is impossible or impracticable to set a boundary monument on a corner, the surveyor shall set a reference monument, similar in character to the boundary monument and preferably along one of the property lines which intersect at that corner. When such a reference monument is used, it shall be clearly identified as a reference monument on the plat of the property and in any new deed description which may be written for the property.
(C) Every boundary monument and/or reference monument set by the surveyor shall, when practicable:
(1) Be composed of a durable material.
(2) Have a minimum length of thirty inches.
(3) Have a minimum cross-section area of material of 0.21 square inches.
(4) Be identified with a durable marker bearing the surveyor’s Ohio registration number and/or name or company name.
(5) Be detectable with conventional instruments for finding ferrous or magnetic objects.
(D) When a case arises, due to physical obstructions such as pavements, large rocks, large roots, utility cables, etc., so that neither a boundary monument nor a reference monument can be conveniently or practicably set in accordance with paragraph (C) of this rule, then alternative monumentation, which is essentially as durable and identifiable (e.g., chiselled “X” in concrete, drill hole, etc.) shall be established for the particular situation.
But what was required or set at the time of the original survey?
