We need to articulate this accurately. analogous to Anarchy vs. Liberty
Part of our problem in Florida is that our Administrative Code isn't updating as quickly as the technology around us. We need to strip much of that language out and start prioritizing what exactly will create an administrative action towards improper surveying.
What is your point? Are you saying the current bill is NOT a "de-regulation"?
The bill I read when it went to subcommittee struck out chapter 472 which deals with certification and regulation (MTS) and left nothing in its place. To me that is deregulation and desertification. They may amend it later or add to it but right now it appears to be both.
Florida Statutes 472.001 - Purpose The Legislature deems it necessary to regulate surveyors and mappers as provided in ss. 472.001-472.037.
So the bill takes this away. So I take it as deregulation and decertification.
The Title of the bill is
HB 5005 - Deregulation of Professions and Occupations
.... pretty much says it all, so I don't know what the question is.
> The bill I read when it went to subcommittee struck out chapter 472 which deals with certification and regulation (MTS) and left nothing in its place. To me that is deregulation and desertification. They may amend it later or add to it but right now it appears to be both.
*de-certification
I don't want to confuse the subject with Florida's plan to turn itself into a desert 😉
ha! needed a bit of a laugh this morning. !
The point is, the politicians are calling this DE-REGULATION. This isn't de-regulation. The various other professions, Real Estate Agents, Title Agents, Engineers, Contractors, GIS techs, etc etc etc, will internally "REGULATE" Surveying.
This is DE-CERTIFICATION. De-regulation is taking the existing regulation and trimming the fat off of it. If you must use the word "regulation" then call it PRE-REGULATION.
Politicians are defining their process to make it sound good for public support. We need to take a hold of the language they're using and define it specifically so it doesn't become just another populist message.
> The point is, the politicians are calling this DE-REGULATION. This isn't de-regulation. The various other professions, Real Estate Agents, Title Agents, Engineers, Contractors, GIS techs, etc etc etc, will internally "REGULATE" Surveying.
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> This is DE-CERTIFICATION. De-regulation is taking the existing regulation and trimming the fat off of it. If you must use the word "regulation" then call it PRE-REGULATION.
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> Politicians are defining their process to make it sound good for public support. We need to take a hold of the language they're using and define it specifically so it doesn't become just another populist message.
I'm not sure I completely follow your logic. As the only thing the people you listed will regulate is cost or if they use a surveyor at all.
So right now all surveys in FL must meet the states minimum technical standards in chapter 472 and thus being regulated by the govt now.
The bill eliminates this and like stated the current language puts nothing in its place so govt. regulation is gone.
So you are saying without govt regulation the other industries we work with will regulate us ( I would say that they would control us).
Real Estate Agents/ Title Company - Don't care if the map is to scale or even if it is drawn in crayon. The Govt is not going to regulate it and they only care about how much money goes into their pocket as they will not be liable.
Contractors - Already have layout crews and will just redline plans and have the superintendent, rodman whoever sign them. (So we will essentially be out of this type of work).
Personally, I prefer the Govt regulation to regulation by real estate agents.
What I'm saying is Surveying, for at least 6 months to 2 years, will still be performed, it just won't be considered a separate practice.
The other professions already have proposed language ready to add to their professional codes, intended to compensate for the vacuum that will be created when we are dissolved. They're just not disclosing it publicly yet. All secrecy.
MARK. MY. WORDS.
Sure, it will still be performed - by anyone who wants to offer surveying services, whether licensed or not. And there will be no enforceable consequence for the resultant incompetence, malpractice, et cetera.
I wonder if they're having these same discussions on BodyWrapperConnect.com.
LMAO!
I disagree, there will always be a place for the boundary guy, due to the liability.
One of the reasons contractors went to assuming the liability for layout within the building envelope had nothing to do with either professionalism or price, as much as it did with time. A contract crew simply does not have the autonomy to make decisions on the fly, unless the PLS is actually on site and part of the process.
>And there will be no enforceable consequence for the resultant incompetence, malpractice, et cetera.
Sure there will - tort 🙁
