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Sean R-M
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Today I'm going back and forth on email with the attorney,?ÿ they want me to swap horizontal boundaries?ÿ with vertical and vertical boundaries with horizontal. I wrote that as a surveyor use the terms vertical and horizontal every day and the attorney responds that the confusion may come from the word ƒ??boundaries.ƒ? I still think this is in my wheelhouse as a PLS 🙂 They came back with a drawing of a cube with the top and bottom one color and the sides a different color and explained that the top and bottom were the horizontal boundaries and the walls were the vertical boundaries.?ÿ

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I do think I got to the bottom of the confusion though: The vertical boundary is described as a horizontal plane, so we could say the upper limit is a horizontal plane at an elevation and the lower limit is a horizontal plane at an elevation. The horizontal boundary is a vertical plane in the location that we show on the map.?ÿ

I'm hoping they can work with that


 
Posted : October 29, 2021 8:42 pm
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A wall/fence is a boundary that is vertical but I still think the boundary that the wall/fence defines is horizontal.?ÿ The RCW doesn't help much that I can tell:

https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=64.90.245

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(i) The location and dimensions of vertical unit boundaries;
(j) The location with reference to an established datum of horizontal unit boundaries, and that unit's identifying number. With respect to a cooperative, miscellaneous community, or condominium for which the horizontal boundaries are not defined by physical monuments, reference to an established datum is not required if the location of the horizontal boundaries of a unit is otherwise reasonably described or depicted;

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Posted : October 30, 2021 10:13 am
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I could assume the use of datum in section j is meant as vertical datum but it could be either one


 
Posted : October 30, 2021 10:15 am
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This is what happens when non-surveyors write code for surveyors. Things are linguistically correct, but so far from standard terminology they are utterly useless.


 
Posted : October 30, 2021 10:29 am
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The boundaries which are a vertical plane define the horizontal limits.

The boundaries which are a horizontal plane define the vertical limits.


 
Posted : October 30, 2021 10:34 am

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@sean-r-m I'm with you Sean. Horizontal and vertical are being used to describe what is limited and not the relationship of the limit to gravity. The sides of the cube are limiting the horizontal aspect of ownership while the top and bottom are limiting the vertical aspect. Ask the attorney's where the vertical boundary between the US and Mexico is. I think we all agree it is a horizontal boundary.


 
Posted : October 31, 2021 10:03 pm
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Posted by: @sean-r-m

I do think I got to the bottom of the confusion though: The vertical boundary is described as a horizontal plane, so we could say the upper limit is a horizontal plane at an elevation and the lower limit is a horizontal plane at an elevation. The horizontal boundary is a vertical plane in the location that we show on the map.?ÿ

Most of the condominium regimes around here make reference to the unit boundaries as being upper, lower, and lateral (or perimetrical) to avoid this confusion.?ÿ Below is the standard plat note about the unit boundaries.?ÿ Also the boundaries on the plat must match the boundaries as defined in the declaration or you've created an ambiguity because the condominium regime is created by three documents being recorded concurrently; the declaration, the bylaws, and the plat. (In Maryland...your mileage may vary)?ÿ


 
Posted : November 1, 2021 10:28 am
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@james-fleming So I understand the use of "perimetrical" in the above condo language example but what the heck does "parametrical" mean?


 
Posted : November 1, 2021 11:04 am
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@lurker It means the first example I pulled up from the online plats site was prepared by a company that relies solely on cut & paste and spellcheck.?ÿ?ÿ


 
Posted : November 1, 2021 11:11 am