Something that I do not particularly care for in Land Desktop was the ability to set an orientation to your drawing. The setting was not compatible with a lot of AutoCAD commands and generally annoys the heck out of me. Unfortunately, some of the drafters in my office would set up almost every drawing with an orientation. I figured out how to disorient the drawing and then use a dview twist to do the same thing but where it is compatible with all the standard Acad commands.
Most of us have made the jump to Civil3d now and I am noticing something odd when I open one of these old, oriented drawings. There does not seem to be a place where I can change the drawing orientation in Civil3d, or at least I haven't found it. New points import into the right place, but measurements between points at N15°W measure NORTH (reflecting the -15° orientation placed on the drawing in LDD). We still have 2 seats of LDD, but I worry about being able to convert these drawings once we go completely to Civil3d. Anyone else notice this or have this problem?
That Is Why I Liked Carlson
Open up one of those stupid rotated LDD drawings and the first choice Carlson gives you, "Do you want to change the stupid rotation to something sensible?"
Paul in PA
That is exactly why I only change the orientation within the view ports. I haven't printed from model space in years.
Geez, Eedit...
Yeah, that's why I do it too. But some people are slow to learn paper space.
Most of the surveys in my immediate area are oriented to the legislated centerline of the T&P Railroad and some are oriented to the actual as-built centerline of the railroad.
As it turns out, I am doing a survey in the original town which is actually oriented to cardinal bearings. I have spent the last 30 minutes trying to solve a problem that does not exist in this case. :-$
Geez, Eedit...
Andy, why don't you just do a "save as" of the drawing, then get your version back to the proper UCS or rotation, save it and open it with C3D?
We have sort of the same problem on transportation plans. Microstation is done ALL in MS so the drafters create there sheets trying to join them up ever so perfectly regardless of plan view. I hate it when I get a set of ROW plans where North is pointing in the lower right hand corner.
Geez, Eedit...
I'll have to give it a try. Outside the city limits, our projects are organized by quad map and most of them have orientation applied. I've been fixing them when I come across them but couldn't figure out how to handle them in C3D. Will try exporting it out next week.
Geez, Eedit...
Land Desktop had a lot of problems with labeling. Using the BPNR got around them all, which is the most-common reason people used it.
For Civil 3D, they changed the way annotation works, so we no longer needed to apply a BPNR in order to get annotation to be created correctly. (They might also have gotten tired of all the complaints about BPNR...) So Autodesk decided to completely eliminate BPNR.
The "typically Autodesk" part of the equation is that they failed to create C3D so that it could recognize BPNR in Land Desktop drawings, and fails to treat them correctly. The only real way around it is to select everything in your Land Desktop drawing, and rotate/move all the objects back so they match WCS. Which is often easier said than done, since not all objects behave as expected when you try to rotate them - e.g., curve text "remains behind", dimensions can get wonky, etc.
Geez, Eedit...
What is BPNR?
Geez, Eedit...
"Base Point North Rotation". It's the abbreviation people use most-often when talking about that particular feature of Land Desktop (the Drawing Setup -> Orientation stuff).