I'm using TraversePC as a workaround for importing Carlson .rw5 files into Starnet.
So far it's working fairly well, but have come across an "anomaly": It doesn't seem to bring in Side Shot data.
Here's an example of a portion of a file:
--Set Collection with Obs Order 123...321...
OC,OP500,N 5273.12097,E 5000.00351,EL1032.615,--FIELD
LS,HI5.2000,HR4.9900
BK,OP500,BP700,BS74.0750,BC0.0000
LS,HI5.2000,HR4.9900
BD,OP500,FP700,AR0.0000,ZE87.4948,SD208.104000,--POND
LS,HI5.2000,HR5.1200
FD,OP500,FP100X,AR105.5208,ZE96.5231,SD275.088000,--POB
FR,OP500,FP100X,AR285.5235,ZE263.0736,SD275.089000,--POB
LS,HI5.2000,HR4.9900
BR,OP500,FP700,AR180.0032,ZE272.1028,SD208.103000,--POND
--SS,OP500,FP700,AR0.0000,ZE87.4940,SD208.103500,--POND
--LS,HI5.200000,HR5.120000
--SS,OP500,FP100X,AR105.5206,ZE96.5228,SD275.088500,--POB
--LS,HI5.200000,HR4.990000
It shows no sign of the SS records, I assume because they're shown commented out. I've never really understood why SurvCE "comments out" the SS records, but does anyone know whether these records would show up in Starnet as observations using the Starnet Carlson Converter, even though they're shown as comments?
Those aren't ordinary SS records, they're part of the set measurements shown immediately above. I suspect that the converter correctly handles ordinary SS records without trouble.
Jim:
OK. Yes I think you are right about these particular "SS" records. I believe SurvCE has "meaned" the set and output the means.
Still don't understand why they're commented out, but that's for another day to learn.
But here's another file, with SS records...I shot a bunch of topo, using the feature in SurvCE that lets you do that.
They still aren't showing up at all in my DAT file.
So the question remains: Does anyone know (for sure), how the Carlson Convertor treats such records when bringing them into Starnet.
It should be as simple as processing the file and outputting a DAT to look at, no?
JB,NM800-1000 TOPO,DT12-12-2015,TM11:57:01
MO,AD0,UN2,SF1.00000000,EC0,EO0.0,AU0
--SurvCE Version 2.07
--CRD: Alphanumeric
--VT NAD83
--Equipment: Topcon GTS/GPT Series
--TS Scale: 1.00000000
--EDM Mode: Fine
SP,PN800,N 427882.5150,E 1618086.7140,EL1086.8100,--
SP,PN1000,N 427613.26527,E 1617967.94693,EL1147.047,--
--Set Collection with Obs Order 123...321...
OC,OP1500,N 427854.09278,E 1618225.46737,EL1110.383,--HOUSE1
LS,HI5.0800,HR4.6900
BK,OP1500,BP1000,BS219.5014,BC359.5959
--Backsight by Azimuth
--Backsight calculated during Set Collection
LS,HI5.0800,HR4.6900
BD,OP1500,FP1000,AR359.5959,ZE99.2228,SD143.544000,--HOUSE2
LS,HI5.0800,HR5.0000
FD,OP1500,FP1501T,AR88.2407,ZE88.4614,SD21.841000,--HOUSE2
FR,OP1500,FP1501T,AR268.2351,ZE271.1336,SD21.841000,--HOUSE2
LS,HI5.0800,HR4.6900
BR,OP1500,FP1000,AR179.5947,ZE260.3710,SD143.538000,--HOUSE2
--SS,OP1500,FP1000,AR359.5959,ZE99.2239,SD143.541000,--HOUSE2
--LS,HI5.080000,HR5.000000
--SS,OP1500,FP1501T,AR88.2405,ZE88.4619,SD21.841000,--HOUSE2
--LS,HI5.080000,HR4.690000
LS,HI5.0800,HR5.0000
SS,OP1500,FP1502,AR86.4554,ZE90.1053,SD39.218000,--TURNAROUND
SS,OP1500,FP1503,AR86.3035,ZE90.2042,SD66.827000,--TURNAROUND
SS,OP1500,FP1504,AR74.3305,ZE90.2603,SD74.733000,--TURNAROUND
SS,OP1500,FP1505,AR64.0046,ZE90.5040,SD86.018000,--TURNAROUND
SS,OP1500,FP1506,AR53.3348,ZE90.4940,SD79.640000,--TURNAROUND
SS,OP1500,FP1507,AR37.3520,ZE91.0449,SD68.667000,--TURNAROUND
SS,OP1500,FP1508,AR35.4520,ZE91.1359,SD49.699000,--TURNAROUND
SS,OP1500,FP1509,AR34.2357,ZE91.1927,SD35.976000,--TURNAROUND
SS,OP1500,FP1510,AR355.0116,ZE93.1641,SD23.333000,--TURNAROUND
SS,OP1500,FP1511,AR287.2625,ZE94.4336,SD36.261000,--TURNAROUND
SS,OP1500,FP1512,AR270.3804,ZE94.5846,SD52.869000,--TURNAROUND
SS,OP1500,FP1513,AR252.0613,ZE95.5319,SD79.770000,--TURNAROUND
SS,OP1500,FP1514,AR252.2047,ZE94.5815,SD51.768000,--TURNAROUND
SS,OP1500,FP1515,AR253.4421,ZE93.3635,SD21.692000,--TURNAROUND
The converter handles side shots perfectly.
The only problems I've ever encountered were "operator error" related.
Scott Zelenak, post: 353890, member: 327 wrote: The converter handles side shots perfectly.
The only problems I've ever encountered were "operator error" related.
Would it be asking too much as a favor to run the .rw5 above through your converter, and post the dat file, to see how it treats the ss records. There's definitely something wonkers with the way I'm trying to do it.
DAT file from STAR*CARLSON converter with settings
- Special Sideshot Handling - Create M Lines for Redundant Sideshots
- Average Shots in Multiple Sets
- Include Backsight Check Data
Converter algorithm appears to consider multiple sets as being redundant sideshots...
800-1000topo.dat
# STAR*CARLSON Version 8.1.2.990
# Copyright 2014 MicroSurvey Software Inc.
# Input Field File : 800-1000topo.rw5
# Date Processed : 01-21-2016 14:41:42
.Units FeetUS
.Units DMS
.Order AtFromTo
.Sep -
.3D
# C 800 427882.51500 1618086.71400 1086.81000
# C 1000 427613.26527 1617967.94693 1147.04700
# Job : 800-1000 TOPO
# Date : 12-12-2015
# Time : 11:57:01
.Delta Off
DV 1500-1000 143.5410 99-22-39.00 5.080/4.690 'HOUSE2
M 1500-1000-1501T 88-24-06.00 21.8410 88-46-19.00 5.080/5.000 'HOUSE2
SS 1500-1000-1502 86-45-55.00 39.2180 90-10-53.00 5.080/5.000 'TURNAROUND
SS 1500-1000-1503 86-30-36.00 66.8270 90-20-42.00 5.080/5.000 'TURNAROUND
SS 1500-1000-1504 74-33-06.00 74.7330 90-26-03.00 5.080/5.000 'TURNAROUND
SS 1500-1000-1505 64-00-47.00 86.0180 90-50-40.00 5.080/5.000 'TURNAROUND
SS 1500-1000-1506 53-33-49.00 79.6400 90-49-40.00 5.080/5.000 'TURNAROUND
SS 1500-1000-1507 37-35-21.00 68.6670 91-04-49.00 5.080/5.000 'TURNAROUND
SS 1500-1000-1508 35-45-21.00 49.6990 91-13-59.00 5.080/5.000 'TURNAROUND
SS 1500-1000-1509 34-23-58.00 35.9760 91-19-27.00 5.080/5.000 'TURNAROUND
SS 1500-1000-1510 355-01-17.00 23.3330 93-16-41.00 5.080/5.000 'TURNAROUND
SS 1500-1000-1511 287-26-26.00 36.2610 94-43-36.00 5.080/5.000 'TURNAROUND
SS 1500-1000-1512 270-38-05.00 52.8690 94-58-46.00 5.080/5.000 'TURNAROUND
SS 1500-1000-1513 252-06-14.00 79.7700 95-53-19.00 5.080/5.000 'TURNAROUND
SS 1500-1000-1514 252-20-48.00 51.7680 94-58-15.00 5.080/5.000 'TURNAROUND
SS 1500-1000-1515 253-44-22.00 21.6920 93-36-35.00 5.080/5.000 'TURNAROUND
Royevrus, post: 354296, member: 9544 wrote: DAT file from STAR*CARLSON converter with settings
- Special Sideshot Handling - Create M Lines for Redundant Sideshots
- Average Shots in Multiple Sets
- Include Backsight Check Data
Converter algorithm appears to consider multiple sets as being redundant sideshots...
800-1000topo.dat
# STAR*CARLSON Version 8.1.2.990
# Copyright 2014 MicroSurvey Software Inc.
# Input Field File : 800-1000topo.rw5
# Date Processed : 01-21-2016 14:41:42
.Units FeetUS
.Units DMS
.Order AtFromTo
.Sep -
.3D
# C 800 427882.51500 1618086.71400 1086.81000
# C 1000 427613.26527 1617967.94693 1147.04700# Job : 800-1000 TOPO
# Date : 12-12-2015
# Time : 11:57:01
.Delta Off
DV 1500-1000 143.5410 99-22-39.00 5.080/4.690 'HOUSE2
M 1500-1000-1501T 88-24-06.00 21.8410 88-46-19.00 5.080/5.000 'HOUSE2
SS 1500-1000-1502 86-45-55.00 39.2180 90-10-53.00 5.080/5.000 'TURNAROUND
SS 1500-1000-1503 86-30-36.00 66.8270 90-20-42.00 5.080/5.000 'TURNAROUND
SS 1500-1000-1504 74-33-06.00 74.7330 90-26-03.00 5.080/5.000 'TURNAROUND
SS 1500-1000-1505 64-00-47.00 86.0180 90-50-40.00 5.080/5.000 'TURNAROUND
SS 1500-1000-1506 53-33-49.00 79.6400 90-49-40.00 5.080/5.000 'TURNAROUND
SS 1500-1000-1507 37-35-21.00 68.6670 91-04-49.00 5.080/5.000 'TURNAROUND
SS 1500-1000-1508 35-45-21.00 49.6990 91-13-59.00 5.080/5.000 'TURNAROUND
SS 1500-1000-1509 34-23-58.00 35.9760 91-19-27.00 5.080/5.000 'TURNAROUND
SS 1500-1000-1510 355-01-17.00 23.3330 93-16-41.00 5.080/5.000 'TURNAROUND
SS 1500-1000-1511 287-26-26.00 36.2610 94-43-36.00 5.080/5.000 'TURNAROUND
SS 1500-1000-1512 270-38-05.00 52.8690 94-58-46.00 5.080/5.000 'TURNAROUND
SS 1500-1000-1513 252-06-14.00 79.7700 95-53-19.00 5.080/5.000 'TURNAROUND
SS 1500-1000-1514 252-20-48.00 51.7680 94-58-15.00 5.080/5.000 'TURNAROUND
SS 1500-1000-1515 253-44-22.00 21.6920 93-36-35.00 5.080/5.000 'TURNAROUND
Thank you very much! This looks perfect. I see how it handled the data. It appears that the adjustment works only on the occupied points first then does the Side Shots post adjustment, so that they are then adjusted (but don't affect anything but themselves.)
I appreciate the help.
rfc, post: 354304, member: 8882 wrote: It appears that the adjustment works only on the occupied points first then does the Side Shots post adjustment
Replace "the occupied points" with "points for which there are redundant measurements" and I think you've got it.
