Alpha-Numeric Point Numbers in Carlson 2009

"set coordinate file" under "points" menu.

When I go and MODIFY coords, in the dwg, it is NOT modifying them in the COORD file. Using "MOVE POINTS" under the points pull down.
N

Try: Points, Point utilities, update crd from drawing or update drawing from crd?

It still does not create the association. I did that. And, then used "Move Points" and, it did not move. The coord in dwg moved, but the coord in the coord file stayed the same. Maybe I have to delete the old file, that it was associated with. That is, the file that created the coords.
Nate

Nate,

Under Settings-> General Settings -> use the Carlson Alphanumeric Coordinate File Format

Under the Object Linking, make sure the box for link Points with CRD file is checked. That "should" fix the issue. I ran into this a long time ago when I started using Carlson 2008.

If your line work is drawn point to point by line numbers, or F2F, I believe that should also move your line work as well, but I cannot guarantee that.

I hope this helps.

Jimmy

I just did that, Jimmy. Still not working. Maybe I should go through the "Update coord files from dwg"? maybe that will associate them?

are those old points in your new file, Nate?

Yes. Those are the ones giving me trouble.
N

The new ones move around just fine. They are associated.

Nate

Might try rebooting your computer. Strange, I know. Other than that, I've got nothing. That's a head scratcher.

Nate,

It sounds like somehow your old points are no longer in your coordinate file. You do need to update the new coordinate file from the drawing, and after that, using the settings as outlined above, you "should" be okay from that point on.

If not, email me the drawing and crd file at: jcsurvey at netzero.net

I will take a look at it and see if I can see what is going on.

Jimmy

I've seen this before. You might have some broken groups. Out of the box, Carlson inserts an acad point and two blocks for each survey point. One block contains the attributes for number, description and elevation. The other block is the symbol. All three of those entities are embedded with extended entity data containing the point number. If grouping gets turned off, or if you wblock points out of one drawing and insert into another, you end up with a mess. To see the effect, you can use the native "move" command to move the acad point somewhere and move the symbol block somewhere else. Then do a point listing and select all three. Your list will contain 3 different sets of coordinates all with the same point number. Having more than one entity in your drawing that are embedded with the same point number that aren't grouped makes Carlson not play nice. My cure was to redefine the Carlson point blocks to contain an acad point, a symbol and all 3 attributes. Then, after creating points with F2F (or Draw-Locate), I delete all the acad points in the drawing. I'm left with one cad entity for each point. If any points also brought in a symbol (light pole, etc) I strip the EED from those symbols. So, check to see if they are still grouped.

Maybe try erasing the points in CAD (not in the crd file). Then redraw the points again.

Nate The Surveyor, post: 350218, member: 291 wrote: I just did that, Jimmy. Still not working. Maybe I should go through the "Update coord files from dwg"? maybe that will associate them?

Bingo!! And when it asks you about renumbering points, etc, select the "Overwrite All" radio button. Now the crd file should be loaded with the new values.
Remember, everything happens in real time in the drawing file but not necessarily in the crd file. When you translate points or "adjust coordinates" you MUST load the new values into the crd file. This is done by the "Update crd file from dwg file" and overwriting the old values.

cptdent, post: 350828, member: 527 wrote: Bingo!! And when it asks you about renumbering points, etc, select the "Overwrite All" radio button. Now the crd file should be loaded with the new values.
Remember, everything happens in real time in the drawing file but not necessarily in the crd file. When you translate points or "adjust coordinates" you MUST load the new values into the crd file. This is done by the "Update crd file from dwg file" and overwriting the old values.

If you have the points linked to the crd file, it does it automatically. You have to check it regularly to make sure your settings are correct, and to get comfortable with the process, but once you do, you should be fine.

SOMETIMES IT DO, SOMETIMES IT DON'T.

Thanks!

Nate

Nate, If you created a CRD using Numeric, you can change it to AlphaNumeric under Coordinate File Utilities -> Convert CRD File Format -> Carlson Alphanumeric.

I believe this will only work with the format ABC123.

I also seem to recall that Carlson Numeric maxes out at 100k point numbers. Alphanumeric can handle more.

If you want to use a more robust method, there is a Carlson SQLite (not sure within which version it was introduced) that allows for AB12CD34 and possibly some other variations.

I have started grouping all of my traverses by area: QA001-QA999 are the points in the Queen Anne Area of Town and SN001-SN999 are the points in the Stage Neck Area...

For some topo, I will run day 1 starting with A1 and let it increment up. Day 2 will be B1 and so on. I find this time saving with Carlson Point Cloud as I do not have to look back at my point numbers. If I forget my last point, I simply use the next prefix.