McMillimeter
you better be careful.
I wouldn't put it past Schaut to get access to the lightning bolt controls up there.
not every fence is a boundary everywhere. there is a fence that runs from the lot line perpendicular to my garage. I hope my neighbor doesn't read certain theories and claim the land in front of that fence all the way to the wall of my garage LOL.
McMillimeter
> not every fence is a boundary everywhere. there is a fence that runs from the lot line perpendicular to my garage. I hope my neighbor doesn't read certain theories and claim the land in front of that fence all the way to the wall of my garage LOL.
Karoly, you dippy idiot. You are merely a surveyor. Your neighbor is a landowner. You must ask him where the boundary is so that you may hire a competent surveyor to file an affidavit in the Miscellaneous Records straightening out the mess that you have probably made with your idea that the "plat" of your subdivision means anything. Remember case law is merely the legal system's admission of failure.
RIP, Richard.
Rick
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> > not every fence is a boundary everywhere. there is a fence that runs from the lot line perpendicular to my garage. I hope my neighbor doesn't read certain theories and claim the land in front of that fence all the way to the wall of my garage LOL.
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> Karoly, you dippy idiot. You are merely a surveyor. Your neighbor is a landowner. You must ask him where the boundary is so that you may hire a competent surveyor to file an affidavit in the Miscellaneous Records straightening out the mess that you have probably made with your idea that the "plat" of your subdivision means anything. Remember case law is merely the legal system's admission of failure.
Wait a minute Kent, in every area of the country, other than Texas, we have land transfer by unwritten means statutes. : ) In my last city land purchase (old subdivision), I got an extra 20 foot strip of land because my neighbor's fence encroached on my record title by 20 feet. My lot was being broken off of a larger lot. My lawyer and I explained the law to the grantor's lawyer and the grantor. They gave me the additional land to insure that if my neighbor claimed AP or any other unwritten land transfer, I would still have the necessary SF for a building lot. outside of Texas, fences do matter.
McMillimeter
> Wait a minute Kent, in every area of the country, other than Texas, we have land transfer by unwritten means statutes. : )
That's fine, but the problem with applying statutes of limitation to boundary disputes is that just because there is a statute doesn't mean some adverse title can be proven. Richard seemed to think so and never really understood the problems inherent in trying to apply statutes of limitation to narrow strips of land along fences that were of unknown origin to settle boundaries.
McMillimeter
"...and never really understood the problems inherent..."
But now he understands it all, far better than you or me.
I can't believe that you're still arguing with him.
Don
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> I can't believe that you're still arguing with him.
LOL! My discussion is with Phil Reed. Richard is now permanently beyond the reach of any logic.
McMillan never gives up...
even after you go to your grave ;-).
McMillan never gives up...
> even after you go to your grave
Well, when Richard was alive, I never really thought that someday the light would click on and he'd realize the defects in his views. He was well beyond that point on the downslope of retirement.
The discussion was always to get the impressionable aspiring surveyors to confront the fact that reality is much different than the quite nutty views Richard espoused. For example, while he and others wanted to beat the old Michigan case of Diehl v. Zanger like a drum, he had to be drug to see Cooley's statement to the effect that of course original monuments control.
I would assume that any surveyor is always aware that posterity will know and judge him or her by the work produced.
> Love him or hate him, he was a brother and a member of this club we call Land Surveying....RIP Richard..
Agree. There's too few of us already.
RIP Richard and my condolences to his family.
McMillan never gives up...
I don't think random internet postings are as influential or damaging as we think.
Humans are communicative creatures; we feel we must be heard.
Most young Surveyors are working for someone or have been mentored to some degree and I just don't think some faceless poster 6 states away has as much influence as we think.
I've engaged in my share of internet debating, however, must win must win!!!
McMillan never gives up...
> I don't think random internet postings are as influential or damaging as we think.
I'll personally be thrilled if no impressionable surveyor takes anything he or she reads on the internet as other than entertainment. However, I am not so optimistic as to assume that. The reality is that technology has provided an endless series of distractions for surveyors quite unrelated to the core of surveying practice and we live in an age when the fundamentals are becoming neglected for that very reason.
It's telling that while Richard wanted to gas endlessly about the evils of doing whatever, he never posted (insofar as I'm aware) any example of his own work. Ever.
I was never much in agreement with him but I thought that he educated me on many topics,,RIP Richard
Sad news.
I don’t recall Richard talking much about himself so I clipped some of the guest book entries on the obit site to help flesh him out (I redacted the names on the guestbook entries so as not to tempt Kent to take action and call these folks to refute their views of Richard).
That's a damn shame. The world has lost a great proponent of unwritten rights. Without his (sometimes insane) writings, some of us (myself included) would not have challenged themselves to learn more about what is probably one of the most difficult categories that we land surveyors must face. I didn't always (most of the time) agree with his views on application, but I did learn much from the man.
Rest in Peace Richard Schaut!
Very nicely said Kris.
> > He was one of the folks that made the old POB board what it was. Never dull.
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> :good: He was the epitome of a Surveyor, opinionated and eccentric.
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> Ralph
Ralph,
You just did an almost perfect description of Richard and every other surveyor in the world.
SJB-)
I was called a dippy idiot many times. I used to tell him that he was a broken record (pun intended) because he seemed to copy & paste the same mantra. Condolences to his family.
> > > He was one of the folks that made the old POB board what it was. Never dull.
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> > :good: He was the epitome of a Surveyor, opinionated and eccentric.
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> > Ralph
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> Ralph,
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> You just did an almost perfect description of Richard and every other surveyor in the world.
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> SJB-)
Seems like every good Surveyor I've ever met demonstrates those traits, the independent streak, self sufficiency, exploratory nature, stubbornness and eccentricity.
Ralph:-)
> "......an honest and principled man, whose integrity was an inspiration to all."
Even though I seldom agreed with him, I'd been wondering what happened to him....he was and will be missed. He made things interesting, both on the old RPLS.com and on here.
