and I really mean that, but please do NOT try and babysit us. True, some guys get outta hand, I should know, been there, done that a few times.
If you start random deleting of threads just because someone calls another kiddie words like 'idiot' or 'fool' or w/e and you kill the thread you have closed the door on the offender who just may have second thoughts on what was said and would like to apologize.
Foul mouthed posts are another matter can you just kill the post or does the whole thread have to be nuked?
by Paul Plutae...
...If you start random deleting of threads just because someone calls another kiddie words like 'idiot' or 'fool' or w/e and ...
Paul
You must admit that there are some on this board that lead with that line, making civil debate difficult.
Mike
> You must admit that there are some on this board that lead with that line, making civil debate difficult.
I never visit P/R so I guess I notice the name calling a lot less than others do.
It's not so much the word itself as it is the insult that it creates. I understand what you mean and I let it go for a long time. But how can a debate be civil when people are constantly insulting each other rather than simply discussing the topic?
Then there are the bickering threads where they just go back and forth telling each other how misinformed the other is, which often leads to insulting comments and a complete disregard for the rules I've set in place. One great example is when someone goes out of their way to disguise a censored word so they can basically get away with it. Do they think I censored those words for fun? No, it was an attempt to keep things as civil as possible by disallowing potentially insulting and/or offensive terms. Replacing an i with a ! or an s with a $ is just a disrespectful way of making sure you get your way.
While I agree that I shouldn't have to babysit, there will be someone who complains or disagrees with my actions regardless of what I choose to do. Therein lies the problem. So I have just chosen to do what I think is right because I cannot please everyone. If I don't remove the offensive posts and/or threads, I will get reports via email asking me to remove them, which I expect and appreciate because I am only one man. My wife and I police the site as much as we can, but we can't catch everything, so I appreciate the reports.
I understand where you are coming from Paul, and I appreciate your comments. I'm trying not to be too heavy-handed, but you have to admit that things have gotten out of control recently, ever since the election. I totally understand why POB chose to make a "lounge" without any supervision, but I don't think that is the winning solution either, because that's even worse, from what I hear.
Bullies
> > You must admit that there are some on this board that lead with that line, making civil debate difficult.
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> I never visit P/R so I guess I notice the name calling a lot less than others do.
The words "idiot" & "fool" are mild compared to what some of the other stuff that is being typed that we've had to delete. Without saying who or what, some of it got as far as physical abuse threatened among others. (This also goes on in private email.)
Most of this "name calling crap escalating to threats crap" starts in P&R so if you don't read there you aren't seeing it. Hopefully not many others are seeing it either because we try to catch and delete those particular things before it gets TOO much out of hand. To those that are POSTING that kinda crap, well, they've been warned and if it keeps up, ADIOS. The boot. 86'ed. Evicted. You get my drift.
It's one thing to bicker amongst each other about politics, religion, surveying, cows, wolves, food, football, or whatever it is you guys choose to agree and disagree about, but it is OUT of hand when it turns to threats, including threatening bodily harm on someone else because "they" do not "agree" with what the other poster posts. This is bullying and whether one can "take it" or not, is not the problem. The problem is it should not even LEAD to this in the first place. We don't need or want that kind of behavior here at Beerleg and will NOT tolerate it!!! Period. :-@
> Foul mouthed posts are another matter can you just kill the post or does the whole thread have to be nuked?
I usually just remove the post, but if any replies were made to that specific post, they get deleted too. So I have to be careful about that because a lot of people reply to a reply when they really mean to reply to the original post.
https://surveyorconnect.com/index.php?mode=page&id=6
The "Your Conduct" section in the link above is particularly appropriate in this case.
Angel?
I am confused. I don't believe I have threatened anyone physically or with physical violence. If I have given you any other impression, I appologize.
I like MLK, however, will not be intimidated by it.
Angel?
> I am confused. I don't believe I have threatened anyone physically or with physical violence. If I have given you any other impression, I appologize.
>
> I like MLK, however, will not be intimidated by it.
Not you, Mike. No worries. 🙂
Who's MLK??
Angel?
He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it. ~ Martin Luther King, Jr.
This quote may be more fitting.
It may be true that the law cannot make a man love me, but it can keep him from lynching me, and I think that's pretty important. ~ Martin Luther King, Jr.
Angel?
> He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it. ~ Martin Luther King, Jr.
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> This quote may be more fitting.
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> It may be true that the law cannot make a man love me, but it can keep him from lynching me, and I think that's pretty important. ~ Martin Luther King, Jr.
Ahhh ok. Wendell was right. I thought you meant a user here with the initials MLK. 🙂
Bullies - Angel / Wendell
>To those that are POSTING that kinda crap, well, they've been warned and if it keeps up, ADIOS. The boot. 86'ed. Evicted. You get my drift.
How's about just building a nice little Cyber Jail..give it an appropriate name and toss the offenders in there for a while. They can read, but cannot post.
Maybe a 3 strikes you are out type of thing.
Bullies - Angel / Wendell
> Maybe a 3 strikes you are out type of thing.
Wendell has something like that going now. The three strikes thing. I still think that any kind of death threat should warrant immediate suspension and banning but I am just a bit more harsh than most when it comes to crap like that. :-$
Dear Paul
Like many here, i attend several other sites that discuss an unrelated technical topic. Each site has very agressive moderators that keep their site functioning by deleting offensive and rude language of any type. If they did not, we'd have very little meaningful discourse.
Our contract for behavior with Wendell notwithstanding, we need to maintain a professional stature. That presence necessarily excludes any low, demeaning activities. "The public good", part of our licensing oath...remember? Our professional stature and demeaning activities are mutually exclusive.
Wendell and Angel are exceptionally fine people who have chosen to provide us a professional land surveyor site. They have done so in a professional manner by enforcing higher standards of behavior and content. They are to be commended and celebrated!
It is our charge to honor - our contract for behavior with Wendell and Angel, our licensing oath for the public good, and our better sensibilities for public demeanor by acting right and proper as professional land surveyors. Yes, we are role models, and examples of how our profession is to be represented.
dla
Dear Paul
very well put!
I would only add that I like to think of this place as Angel and Wendell's house. We're invited. Act nice for crissakes!
Don
Bullies - Angel / Wendell
> I still think that any kind of death threat should warrant immediate suspension and banning
I 100% FULLY BACK YOU UP AGREE Angel
Dear Paul - David
Nice post..you must have been inspired :party:
Dear Paul
I agree, David. On the other "boards" I frequent, the moderators word is law. No argument, comment or discussion. That is for a reason. To moderate. Threads that violate the rules (or at the whim of a mod) are nuked. End of story.
Thank you Wendell and Angel. Do as you see fit. I appreciate the we play here at your pleasure.
Rick
Dear Paul
To me, the attitude among the admin and the participants was really cool at first when this site started up. It still is, for the most part, but some people just want to push the envelope for some reason. When somebody, especially the people hosting the site, comment about a particular type of post, why do some people persist in presenting that objectionable type of post? I just don't get it. If I went to somebody's house and said something that they found offensive, I would either stop saying that or stop going to their house.
Angel?
Mike,
You must remember that MLK was dead two years before Angel was born. Even as famous as he has become, the youngsters often have remarks like that just fly right by without even a hint of recognition.:-(
