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(@dan-patterson)
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I did not post-process anything from the XH

 
Posted : 05/10/2015 2:58 pm
(@surveyak)
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Check your datum. This is likely a GRS80/WGS84 translation issue.

I'm assuming you're running TerraSync? Are you running a real-time correction by chance?

 
Posted : 06/10/2015 10:31 pm
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Mark Silver, post: 339180, member: 1087 wrote: The best way to find out is to ask the data provider which realization and EPOCH they used for the design. If they tell you that there is only one NAD83 and imply you are stupid, you can can safely assume they are ignorant and don't have a clue what they are doing.

I am saving this quote!

 
Posted : 08/10/2015 7:40 am
(@todd-horton)
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Shift from US Survey Feet to International Feet is small in NJ because the coordinates at the zone origin are small (N=0m and E=150,000m). For contrast, see origin values for Virginia, Utah, Texas, Michigan, Nevada, and Colorado on page 64 of NOAA Manual NOS NGS 5.

For example, see point KV6027 in Trenton, NJ.

SPCS(2011): N 501,448.64 E 420,700.85 sFT

(12 inches/foot) / (39.37 inches/meter) = legal definition of US Survey Foot per NGS
0.3048 meter/foot = legal definition of International Foot

501,448.64*(12/39.37-0.3048)=0.31 m
420,700.85*(12/39.37-0.3048)=0.26 m

Computed shift between NAD83 realizations at KV6027:
1986 - 1996: 0.19 ft
1996 - 2007: 0.02 ft
2007 - 2011: 0.07 ft
Computed using NGS Tools - Lat/Lon to SPC

Todd

 
Posted : 19/10/2015 7:50 pm
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Shift from US Survey Feet to International Feet is small in NJ because the coordinates at the zone origin are small (N=0m and E=150,000m). For contrast, see origin values for Virginia, Utah, Texas, Michigan, Nevada, and Colorado on page 64 of NOAA Manual NOS NGS 5.

For example, see point KV6027 in Trenton, NJ.

SPCS(2011): N 501,448.64 E 420,700.85 sFT

501,448.64*(12/39.37-0.3048)=0.31 ft (12 inches / 39.37 inches/meter)=legal definition of US Survey Foot
420,700.85*(12/39.37-0.3048)=0.26 ft

(12 inches / 39.37 inches/meter) = legal definition of US Survey Foot per NGS
0.3048 meter/foot = legal definition of International Foot

Computed shift between NAD83 realizations at KV6027:
1986 - 1996: 0.19 ft
1996 - 2007: 0.02 ft
2007 - 2011: 0.07 ft
Computed using NGS Tools - Lat/Lon to SPC

Todd

 
Posted : 19/10/2015 7:51 pm
(@nephilim)
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Todd Horton, post: 341080, member: 10231 wrote: Shift from US Survey Feet to International Feet is small in NJ because the coordinates at the zone origin are small (N=0m and E=150,000m). For contrast, see origin values for Virginia, Utah, Texas, Michigan, Nevada, and Colorado on page 64 of NOAA Manual NOS NGS 5.

For example, see point KV6027 in Trenton, NJ.

SPCS(2011): N 501,448.64 E 420,700.85 sFT

(12 inches/foot) / (39.37 inches/meter) = legal definition of US Survey Foot per NGS
0.3048 meter/foot = legal definition of International Foot

501,448.64*(12/39.37-0.3048)=0.31 m
420,700.85*(12/39.37-0.3048)=0.26 m

Computed shift between NAD83 realizations at KV6027:
1986 - 1996: 0.19 ft
1996 - 2007: 0.02 ft
2007 - 2011: 0.07 ft
Computed using NGS Tools - Lat/Lon to SPC

Todd

Isn't this because NJ has 1 zone? I had always heard real time anything in Nj was bad because of this.

 
Posted : 20/10/2015 8:19 pm
(@bill93)
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I think the number of zones is nearly irrelevant.

The difference in coordinates of the two definitions of a foot depends on the distance from your location to the defined 0,0 point, which depends a lot on what they defined for the false northing and easting.

For most states the false northing and easting makes the 0,0 fall a state or two away from the actual zone, so multiplying that by the difference between foot diefinitions is large enough to be obvious in the coordinates.

 
Posted : 20/10/2015 9:41 pm
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