We've had the discussion here about grid is ground.
Oregon has had a system of Low Distortion Projections incorporated in state statutes for a decade, but I still can't get my GIS department to output data in that system - apparently ESRI doesn't support it. Nor will Nearmap. I can get output in Botswana Central Zone, but not ORCS.
I had never heard of the AAGS before. I'm interested in their training materials and certificate program. Will look into that further.
People with GIS backgrounds were asking about PLS licensure for these control matters. They fail to understand that licensure exists because of boundary surveying. Conversely, this may be why some LS's have trouble dealing with control issues.
I had never heard of the AAGS before. I'm interested in their training materials and certificate program. Will look into that further.
As Brian Fischer stated, AAGS is in the process of putting together the exam materials for the Geodetic Certification program. They are partnering with the NSPS, who will administer the examination. The goal is to have it stood up by the end of 2023.
I am not surprised that you have never heard of AAGS even though they have been around for decades. I hadn't either when I was contacted a couple of years ago and asked to get involved on the Board of Directors. I am currently the President-Elect and was instrumental in recruiting Brian to run for the Board of Directors last year. We are both State Geodetic Coordinators (Arizona and California) and professional land surveyors. Brian has brought a lot of energy, experience, knowledge, and vision to AAGS and is really helping to push the effort to get the Geodetic Certification in place.
I agree that it was a very well done webinar with much diversity in the panel members to more effectively represent the geospatial data user community and industry, rather than just an NGS perspective.
I had to jump off only a short time into the webinar, but I am looking forward to watching the recording.
AAGS is in the process of putting together the exam materials for the Geodetic Certification program. They are partnering with the NSPS, who will administer the examination. The goal is to have it stood up by the end of 2023.
People with GIS backgrounds were asking about PLS licensure for these control matters. They fail to understand that licensure exists because of boundary surveying. Conversely, this may be why some LS's have trouble dealing with control issues.
Considering the implications of poorly performed geodetic control surveys and the potential to harm the public, and the fact that folks are looking to licensed surveyors for answers on the subject, I'm looking forward to the certification rollout.
With the NSPS being involved, I wonder whether this is a sign of possible changes down the road i.e., official endorsements for professionals?
It was a great presentation and discussion. I thought the panelists did a very great job. The AAGS certification I am looking forward to as well.
I think a opportunity is lurking for Surveyors. If a person steps to the side and looks outside the box while still understanding where we came from to where we are heading in terms of technology and datums. I believe we all in the surveying and geospatial realm should buckle down and lead from the efforts lets not waste the opportunity but own it become the Subject Matter Experts this was not done with GIS and I honestly believe that surveyor’s could have done a great job with that We must understand that autonomous driving is coming so that will effect roads design and layout in the future Remember now its not so much the GPS position as we look at our navigation on phones that’s wrong but the underlying maps datums thats not exactly correct. I believe we will see more requirements on roads like what is required on airports in a way Someone will have to educate the engineers that design them the contractor that builds them so we are all on the same datum reference frame coordinate system. How will this effect boundary surveys I believe it will be both we must follow history and the footsteps but we will also be positioning better and on a datum that relates directly to the same as the roads row over time Education and training education both formal and informal. I might be gone by the time this all comes to fruition but the ground work has been laid out years many years ago. Geo databases will become as common as a file cabinet system publishing more than one set of coordinates for a project will as well. Meta Data every state should already be looking at this and preparing time epoch will be a must to track and keep up with.
I am doing a job now that requires two different datums and coordinate system to be published on all corners and control. Energy projects will provide a lot of opportunities for re doing all the old control and location work is coming as well. And hopefully no more scaling to ground grid coordinates allowed without stating where is the origin and factor from and ellipsoid elevation or elevations used to determine that
It was a great presentation and discussion. I thought the panelists did a very great job. The AAGS certification I am looking forward to as well.
I think a opportunity is lurking for Surveyors. If a person steps to the side and looks outside the box while still understanding where we came from to where we are heading in terms of technology and datums. I believe we all in the surveying and geospatial realm should buckle down and lead from the efforts lets not waste the opportunity but own it become the Subject Matter Experts this was not done with GIS and I honestly believe that surveyor’s could have done a great job with that We must understand that autonomous driving is coming so that will effect roads design and layout in the future Remember now its not so much the GPS position as we look at our navigation on phones that’s wrong but the underlying maps datums thats not exactly correct. I believe we will see more requirements on roads like what is required on airports in a way Someone will have to educate the engineers that design them the contractor that builds them so we are all on the same datum reference frame coordinate system. How will this effect boundary surveys I believe it will be both we must follow history and the footsteps but we will also be positioning better and on a datum that relates directly to the same as the roads row over time Education and training education both formal and informal. I might be gone by the time this all comes to fruition but the ground work has been laid out years many years ago. Geo databases will become as common as a file cabinet system publishing more than one set of coordinates for a project will as well. Meta Data every state should already be looking at this and preparing time epoch will be a must to track and keep up with.
I am doing a job now that requires two different datums and coordinate system to be published on all corners and control. Energy projects will provide a lot of opportunities for re doing all the old control and location work is coming as well. And hopefully no more scaling to ground grid coordinates allowed without stating where is the origin and factor from and ellipsoid elevation or elevations used to determine that
Oregon has had a system of Low Distortion Projections incorporated in state statutes for a decade, but I still can't get my GIS department to output data in that system - apparently ESRI doesn't support it. Nor will Nearmap. I can get output in Botswana Central Zone, but not ORCS.
That's a surprise to me because Esri has supported the Oregon DOT systems for a while, ArcGIS Desktop 10.4.0 and ArcGIS Pro 2.0 (2016 Desktop, 2017 Pro).
Maybe they can't find them because they're under the "State SystemsOregon" folder rather than the "County Systems" folder? I don't believe they cover all counties which is why we didn't place them in the County Systems folder.
Melita
Disclosure: I work for Esri.
That's a surprise to me because Esri has supported the Oregon DOT systems for a while,
Thanks. I guess that there is an ID-10t user error, not a software problem. The next time I run into this roadblock I'll be better armed.
@norman-oklahoma You can build custom datums and projections in esri software aleast we could when i was using it. Now i didnt design it in esri i did that in other software. The. Just manually plugged in the parameters. I thought LDP was a favorite for many GIS folks as now they could relate easily. So always nad83 datum. Then whichever projection lambert mercator etc. This is news to me that gis folks could not handle a LDP.
