What Beer are u drinking?
I want some!!!!!
Jerel,
Just another person sounding the death knell of the profession of surveying. When you have to have the same degree as a CE, which one do you think that these young'ens will want to be. The 4 yr degree will be the final nail in the coffin of surveying. Those who are actually suited for the the life of surveying are now being told that they are not wanted.
I am sorry if I put a burr in one's saddle....
Nedra, is correct. the young CE'S I know are complete Idiot's when Surveying is involved...
They have no idea what is going on in the field/on the ground/nor air GPS wise.
I am 60 year's old. I bave a Ranger 500x & an GRS-1 GPS SET UP.
We are losing ground now but one day soon, we will be back in the Saddle.
Canton is my home town, Georgiasurveyor.
Year's ago that was my CB Handle.
jmac:bye:
Indeed, the young CE's are idiots. Funny because they have 4 yr degrees. While us old farts with high school diplomas and 20+ years experience are getting blown off by state boards across the country who are striving to license those idiots because it makes us "more professional" to have a 4 yr degree requirement. BS. Make the test harder, and then you will have people who know what they are doing in the field. But them college smart but world dumb surveyors are going to be the ruin of us, IMHO.
When I was 19 I helped an old man build a wooden bridge. We were both waist deep in water when he hefted a brace timber up along the center bent. He hollered at me to mark the timber so we would know where to cut it off. I explained that I didn't have a pencil to make a mark...he shouted to use a nail. I calmly described (since he was the one straining to hold the timber in place) that I couldn't 'mark' with a nail...that the proper term was SCRIBE. As he turned red in the face, he grunted "SCRIBE IT DAMN YOU"...
And that was how I got my CB handle...The Arkansas Scribe...KBOB7575...(any old pencil can make a mark...but it takes someone sharp to be a scribe)... we're clear...
Here is to Glen "Red" Kesterson, Dierks, Arkansas who knew how to build a logging road bridge without any 'fancy' engineered plans...
DDSM
I wouldn't be too impressed with Nedra. I haven't seen any of her boundaries under difficult conditions. She even got special dispensation on her RPLS number. It is her Mentor's (D.D. Shine) plus 5000. I believe they skipped about 4-5 hundred numbers to give her that number. She was registered only a couple of years before they let her sit for the LSLS exam. Basically, I believe she used her political connections. I am not sure how much she actually earned. Also since I have never met the lady, all of this is just suspicion based on what I have verified. Other than the RPLS no. thing. That is fact.
It is a good thing that Paleontologists
do not have a 4 yr degree requirement to be considered a professional. Or else Susan Hendrickson would not have ever found Tyrannosaurus Sue and we would not have the most complete Tyrannosaurus fossil ever found.
FWIW, there is no minimum time period required to be an RPLS before applying to take the LSLS. I learned that when I saw a guy get his LSLS about 1 year after getting his RPLS. Quite a surprise to me.
> FWIW, there is no minimum time period required to be an RPLS before applying to take the LSLS. I learned that when I saw a guy get his LSLS about 1 year after getting his RPLS. Quite a surprise to me.
Andy,
I know. I just think it should take longer.
The reason I am not a LSLS is that I haven't lived in Texas for years and when I did, getting with an LSLS for direct experience was quite difficult for me.
You are in a good position to pursue a LSLS if you are so inclined.
SJ
Stephen
The board will tell you it didn't happen that way nat least that's what the board sad when my buddy got his rpls
and wanted 6000 plus his grandfathers number. They wouldn't do it for him.
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> Indeed, the young CE's are idiots. Funny because they have 4 yr degrees. While us old farts with high school diplomas and 20+ years experience are getting blown off by state boards across the country who are striving to license those idiots because it makes us "more professional" to have a 4 yr degree requirement. BS. Make the test harder, and then you will have people who know what they are doing in the field. But them college smart but world dumb surveyors are going to be the ruin of us, IMHO.
Nobody expects a young fresh CE grad to have the world level experience as a 50-60 something PE. And there are PE's without college degrees (a dying breed for sure), but by & large, the 4 yr engineering degree has been requisite for that field for a long time. So why should anyone expect young surveying grads to hit the ground running with all the wisdom & knowledge of the old-timer PS's? College isn't replacing that kind of experience, and nobody is saying that it does. I just don't understand the logic of being against the degree requirement, because it really doesn't affect you personally, does it? I think given the advancements in this industry, the 4 yr degree is becoming increasingly needful. Just my 2 cents.
I feel ready for it, having had Stan Piper's legal class and my experience mucking about in the big railroad blocks now.
On the latest LSLS application form, it no longer says that the references have to be LSLSs. I think it is getting hard for that to happen with, what, less than a hundred of them left?
I'll stick up for Nedra
> I wouldn't be too impressed with Nedra. I haven't seen any of her boundaries under difficult conditions. She even got special dispensation on her RPLS number. It is her Mentor's (D.D. Shine) plus 5000. I believe they skipped about 4-5 hundred numbers to give her that number. She was registered only a couple of years before they let her sit for the LSLS exam. Basically, I believe she used her political connections. I am not sure how much she actually earned. Also since I have never met the lady, all of this is just suspicion based on what I have verified. Other than the RPLS no. thing. That is fact."
Stephen - I believe that if you had ever actually met Nedra Foster, you would be impressed with her knowledge of surveying. You might not agree with her on some things, but you would be impressed with her. I have known Nedra and Darrell Shine for many years and have worked with them on several projects and can vouch for their helpfulness, knowledge and professionalism. Just like any other professional surveyor, I'm sure that they have made their share of mistakes. I do know from visiting with them, that they have been involved in some of the most difficult boundaries that exist in Southeast Texas. If you ever get the chance to meet Nedra, don't pass it up. She is a fine surveyor and equally fine person and I think you too would be proud to call her your friend.
Really, yeah it does. I cannot move "home" because home does not consider me qualified to take their test because I do not have a 4 yr degree. I am licensed in 2 states, I passed both parts of the fed tests the first time I took each one and have surveyed for 20+ yrs, but there are many states that think that does not make me competent to sit for their state specific test because of a piece of paper.
So, yeah, I take it personally.
I think as McMillan will say, LSLS are not necessarily better or more experienced than your garden variety RPLS. They have just proven that they know the state requirements for filing field notes in the GLO and they are required to report vacancies. Otherwise, not necessarily a badge of experience or talent that you might suspect.
Jeff
There isn't any doubt that she is good. She has withstood the scrutiny of many a court and come out on the up side. She's not the one I want on the opposing side against me.
That being said, her number doesn't reflect when she actually got licensed and they wouldn't do the same for GFM4 when his grandfathers number was 501 and give him 6501.
I didn't ask for 5969 to be exactly 4000 more than my fathers. I'm quite happy with 5655, but if you do it for one, you must do it for all in my opinion.
Kris
Kris
You will notice in my comments, that I did not mention anything about her registration number. I think it is a mistake to make a judgment on a person based solely on something such as that and will not fail to speak up when I know better. I stand by my statement that I believe if Stephen ever met her, that he would enjoy her friendship and would find her to be a competent surveyor.
Jeff
Agreed. She's a very nice person who I have consulted her opinion on more than one occasion regarding water boundaries.
sorry to hear that GS. MI is uber-particular about the degree requirement...even so far as unless the degree was earned from one of two in-state schools, the degree has to be evaluated by the Board. A bit of a racket for sure. Sadly too, probably 90% of survey grads ain't stickin around in MI (no work). Not much benefit to our state per se, only to the universities.
