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Moe Shetty
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i reached an impasse with determining friction slope in a pipe nomograph for hgl computation.

sf= (critical depth+pipe diameter)/2, then take that to intersect in the pipe nomograph.

so, a pipe flowing full has a normal depth of its dia., but i forgot how to get the sf from a full pipe. the sf values are much higher that one would expect.any help is appreciated


 
Posted : October 20, 2012 8:47 am
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Once a pipe is full you no longer have open channel flow. You should be able to use the Mannings formula for full pipe flow.


 
Posted : October 20, 2012 12:53 pm
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I seem to remember a gravity pipe is considered full a .9D, and a completely full pipe is considered to be a pressure pipe.:-/


 
Posted : October 20, 2012 9:06 pm
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Yippers. No more open flow when the pipe is full.


 
Posted : October 20, 2012 9:15 pm
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Your maximum flow under gravity will occur in a little less than a full pipe.

The friction losses in a completely full pipe reduce it's capacity slightly.

When you go from gravity to pressurized you go from Mannings to Darcy.


 
Posted : October 21, 2012 7:22 pm

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Correction: Bernoulli or Darcy.


 
Posted : October 22, 2012 8:02 am
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Sf = Q2 n2 / z2 A2R4/3

Sf = friction slope (ft./ft. or m/m)
Q = discharge (cfs or m3/s)
n = Manning’s roughness coefficient
z = 1.486 for use with English measurements only.
A = cross-sectional area of flow (sq. ft. or m2)
R = hydraulic radius (ft. or m) = A / WP
WP = wetted perimeter of flow (the length of the channel boundary in direct contact with the water) (ft. or m).


 
Posted : October 23, 2012 9:42 am