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 slim
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Problem4

I'm working on this double proportion problem I found in American Surveyor magazine and I'm getting the correct easting but my northing is the incorrect. I'm not in a PLSS state so I rarely work with sections, but I am preparing for both the PS and PLS exams so any clarification on what I'm doing wrong will be very helpful. I'm getting C but the correct answer is A. Thanks.

Here is a link to the actual page if the image doesn't come through clearly: (Question 4)

http://archive.amerisurv.com/PDF/TheAmericanSurveyor-TestYourselfWithAnswers-March-April2004.pdf

 
Posted : 17/06/2020 3:07 am
(@charles-l-dowdell)
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Need a better picture. This one is too blurry to read the cornnuts. I tried everything in my photo programs to make a decent picture, but it would not clear up so that it is readable.

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Posted : 17/06/2020 3:30 pm
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Something is missing from that question. Do you know what it is?

 
Posted : 17/06/2020 3:43 pm
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Looking at the other questions there are other problems too. I can assure you NCEES does a better job writing questions than this.?ÿ

 
Posted : 17/06/2020 3:49 pm
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This is not a Double Proportion corner since it is a ?¬ corner and not a section corner and is a Single Proportion for reestablishment. I come up with C as the cornnuts?ÿ for the ?¬ corner to Sections 9 and 16.

 
Posted : 17/06/2020 8:05 pm
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@charles-l-dowdell

wouldn't you dp the section corner then sp the quarter section corner?

 
Posted : 17/06/2020 8:11 pm
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Assuming the north-south section line is cardinal North and 80 chains plus 40 chains (GLO record) AND the east-west section line is cardinal east with given distances in chains (GLO record) I get answer A.

coordinates at the corner common to 8/9/16/17 are N19,926.667; E7,603.609.

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Posted : 17/06/2020 8:28 pm
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@dave-karoly I got to thinking about this and I should have proportioned in the section corner first and then single proportioned in the ?¬ corner. Must be a sign Old Age is creeping up on me.

 
Posted : 17/06/2020 9:24 pm
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@dave-karoly?ÿ You didn't complete the problem. It asks for the ?¬ corner to Sectipns 9 & 16. I get the same cornuts as you for the section corner. I'll redo?ÿ my single proportion for the ?¬ corner tomorrow.

 
Posted : 17/06/2020 9:54 pm
 slim
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@charles-l-dowdell Thanks, I wasn't doing that but using this method gets me the correct answer!

Quick breakdown:

Northing of section corner 8,9,16 & 17 is 19926.67 so:

19926.67+(40.05/80.10)(19800.00-19926.67)=19,863.335

I was right there the entire time, I was caught up on using only the given original monuments.

Hopefully like one of the others suggested, if a problem like this is to come up for me on my exam its worded a little different and asking for just the section corner.

 

 
Posted : 18/06/2020 2:50 am
 slim
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@aliquot Thanks for the reassurance, I really hope so. I'm just trying to do any questions I can find so I'm prepared for any senerio given to me.

 
Posted : 18/06/2020 2:56 am
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I computed the answer in red.?ÿ I screwed up the first time and put all the corners on the east-west line in-line with the existing corners.?ÿ But that line will deflect at the double-proportioned section corner.?ÿ I'm guessing that's the the original poster in this thread got the easting correct, but the northing wrong.?ÿ Two steps - 2P the section corner, then 1P the quarter corner on that new line.

 
Posted : 18/06/2020 4:23 am
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@charles-l-dowdell

my post last night is confusing, it was late.

i did calculate my way to answer A but it's confusing how I posted the coordinates for the section corner at the end like that.

 
Posted : 18/06/2020 4:49 am
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My calculation:

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Posted : 18/06/2020 5:43 am
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No bearings, no chains, no notes, no answer. I suppose you can "assume" all the elements that go into a calculation, but even for the N1/4 of Section 16 it's critical that you know at least if the north line of 16 is an even or odd chain length. That will effect the 1/4 location.

 
Posted : 18/06/2020 5:45 am
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