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v?ý+x?ý-458.926?ý-1.412656326vw=0

w?ý+x?ý-552.632?ý-1.045699772wx=0

v?ý+w?ý-630.289?ý+0.468229445vw=0

552.632v+458.926w-630.289x=0

That's four equations in three unknowns


 
Posted : January 16, 2020 8:29 pm
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Is that really vw in the first line??ÿ It breaks a symmetry that the other lines have.


 
Posted : January 16, 2020 9:44 pm
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You're  right: that should be vx


 
Posted : January 16, 2020 11:05 pm
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Dave; do you want a "long hand solution" or "computer solution" ?

JOHN NOLTON


 
Posted : January 16, 2020 11:07 pm
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@john-nolton

Either or both.

(I have a rough idea what each variable is if you need a "starter" value.)


 
Posted : January 16, 2020 11:09 pm

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I tried plugging it into https://www.wolframalpha.com/ ?ÿ , and no solutions exist.?ÿ Dropping off the last equation, does return a solution though.?ÿ I did change the vw to vx as well.?ÿ?ÿ

?ÿ

?ÿ


 
Posted : January 17, 2020 8:10 am
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Dave, something is strange with your equations. I get the same results that MitchPDT gets.

Can you tell us where you got the equations? Can you check your equations again?

JOHN NOLTON


 
Posted : January 17, 2020 8:23 am
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For some reason the first two lines of the following lyrics came to mind.?ÿ My mind went back 45+ years to all the fun we had solving such equations by hand in our engineering classes.?ÿ Rewriting to get things to a neat form for matrix analysis could be mindbending.?ÿ Liquid refreshments were frequently required, when affordable.

?ÿ

?ÿ

Those were the days my friend
We thought they'd never end
We'd sing and dance forever and a day
We'd live the life we choose
We'd fight and never lose
For we were young and sure to have our way
La la la la la la
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La la la la La la la la la la


 
Posted : January 17, 2020 9:06 am
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Posted by: @mitchptd
Dropping off the last equation, does return a solution though.

How far off is the last equation then? More than roundoff error propagated?


 
Posted : January 17, 2020 9:20 am
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Could the difficulty be a mis-copied sign?


 
Posted : January 17, 2020 9:24 am

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Here's what the graph looks like from the GeoGebra online grapher:

?ÿ


 
Posted : January 17, 2020 9:27 am
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https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=v%C2%B2%2Bx%C2%B2-458.926%C2%B2-1.412656326vx%3D0++w%C2%B2%2Bx%C2%B2-552.632%C2%B2-1.045699772wx%3D0++v%C2%B2%2Bw%C2%B2-630.289%C2%B2%2B0.468229445vw%3D0++552.632v%2B458.926w-630.289x%3D0

 


 
Posted : January 17, 2020 9:28 am
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Thanks MathTeacher. I was just going to TRY to graph it but now I have an idea what it looks like.

 

JOHN NOLTON


 
Posted : January 17, 2020 11:43 am
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The three cylinders intersect in 4 symmetrical points in the real number system. According to Wolfram Alpha, they are:

v = -539.107 and w = 476.296 and x = -125.884

v = -338.967 and w = -457.917 and x = 151.778

v = 338.967 and w = 457.917 and x = -151.778

v = 539.107 and w = -476.296 and x = 125.884

These values don't?ÿexactly satisfy the three equations, perhaps due to rounding, but they are close:

Note that the first one and the last one come closest to satisfying the fourth equation. If something close to either of them was an answer choice on a standardized test, I'd choose it.


 
Posted : January 17, 2020 12:15 pm
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@mathteacher

Your 2nd and 3rd line above is what I get also using Mathematica V10.0 (I do have a later version but have not put in on the computer yet).

For the 1st line I get   -539.074   476.335   -125.827  (don't know why we get this small difference) but

I will check my entry DATA. Like you say they "don't exactly satisfy the 3 equ."    I was going to get more digits to see if it was round-off error

 but just left it as it is. Close enough for Dave Lindell.


 
Posted : January 17, 2020 12:58 pm

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@john-nolton

Depending on which Wolfram Alpha URL you go to, the equals sign may be an approximately equals sign. In either case the answers are approximate. 

There is a Pro version of Wolfram Alpha that will extend the accuracy. I've forgotten the cost, but I think that a year's worth is roughly equal to the weekly rent for a beach house. To me, that's not a good trade-off.


 
Posted : January 17, 2020 1:05 pm
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@mathteacher

This stuff is way over my head, never made it to diffyQ's. So forgive my naivet'e but what is that grey thing that looks like an overstretched rhombus on a diagonal through the main axis? 

If the answer to my question would not be understood by someone not well versed mathematics (ie: me) don't waste your time. ???? 


 
Posted : January 17, 2020 1:18 pm
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@flga

Yeah, mine, too, save for technology. The funny-looking rhombus is the plane defined by the fourth equation.

Imagine a standpipe fed by two water lines. Those are the three cylinders. Now imagine a bulldozer blade (never mind that it's curved, this is the ideal math world!) being lowered so that it cuts all three of them. That's the plane defined by the fourth equation.

The question is, is there a single point or multiple points shared by the three pipes and the bulldozer blade? There are 4 points shared by the pipes; are one or more of these also shared by the blade? Of course, the answer is determined by the slope and direction of the blade. It may or may not find a common point; its equation determines that.

In the real world, it doesn't matter, 'cause there's gonna be hell to pay regardless. But it is a nice thought problem.

?ÿ


 
Posted : January 17, 2020 2:12 pm
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I have the Pro version. I have a license and have for like 20 years. What the heck you can't take it with you. Spend as much

as you can cause the wife will get it in the END.  BE HAPPY; SPEND!


 
Posted : January 17, 2020 2:42 pm
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Here's a better picture of just the cylinders (pipes) from GeoGebra:

 

And here's the one with the plane (blade) added:

 

And here's one of just the plane defined by the fourth equation:

 


 
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