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Should Notre Dame's Head Coach Be Fired Over Student Death?

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Under the premise that the Head Coach is responsible for everything that happens on the football field, sport's columnist Jason Whitlock is calling for Brian Kelly's immediate dismissal as in before tomorrow's game. This is not a sport's issue but a responsibility issue.

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/notre-dame-must-fire-brian-kelly-over-student-death-102910

I have no doubt there will be state safety and OSHA fines upcoming. If this is like other practice facilities I have no doubt that they would travel along the sidelines on an inimproved surface with the scissors lift extended. As Supervisor of Building and Sructural Maintenance at the Bethlehem Plant of bethlehem Steel Company I have more than my share of time in scissor lifts and high reachs. Traveling was the most crucial item and I about messed my drawers when a foreman decided to travel our extended high reach on an uneven surface. After my screaming stopped and the swinging and swaying slowed down he lowered the unit to maneuver to a different position. Ours was considered an emergency repair on a production facility and not a film of mere practice for a mere game, but Safety Comes First.

If traveling is required on extended scissors I am fairly certain a paved surface is reuired. Plus there are definite rules about use in high winds.

If you have to ask, YES, I am in agreement with Whitlock.

Paul in PA

 
Posted : October 29, 2010 9:54 am
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No.

 
Posted : October 29, 2010 10:11 am
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don't be silly

NO

I'm sure if we searched all of your posts for the phrase "Notre Dame" we would easily see a pattern.

If this was Joe P. you wouldn't even bring it up.

 
Posted : October 29, 2010 10:13 am
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Too Many Variables Here

For example, did the videographer have training/certification to operate the scissor lift?

What are the ratings on the particular piece of equipment with regard to wind velocity, etc.?

Under whose direct supervision does this videographer work?

I'm guessing that the Indiana State OSHA (or whatever agency has jurisdiction and acts as OSHA does), will be looking into this and determining where (if anywhere) the blame lies.

I'm wondering if it was Joe Paterno, would the answer would be the same?

 
Posted : October 29, 2010 10:33 am
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Too Many Variables Here

Someone is going to get fired or resign. I don't know if making the head coach the scape goat helps matter unless he specifiably ordered the kid up there or the kid's supervisor to get things done.
Young kids are kind of crazy and fearless and the kid should have used some common sense also.
But someone is going to get sued big time, I mean like big time.
Since the Catholic Church and ND U has vast gold holdings it will probably make a small dent in their wealth.
gee Paul from Election czar in West Easton to big cheese engineer at Bethlehem steel Real impressive resume'

 
Posted : October 29, 2010 10:49 am
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It Looked A Lot Better With $moke And Fire

Because that meant $$$.

If you think I tick off people here you should have seen me there. You can soon get people very mad at you for shutting down a crane for an emergency repair, when it also meams shutting down a facility that earns $50,000 per shift. Loss of income plus unproductive payroll $$.

If you have paid any attention to my posts over the years you will find that killing people under your responsibility is totally unacceptable, Joe Paterno included.

Paul in PA

 
Posted : October 29, 2010 11:19 am
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Every Body On The Field Is Under The Coaches Authority

He had practice indoors the day before because of the wind. He is the one who elected to do it outdoors on the fatal day.

End of Story. End of career.

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Posted : October 29, 2010 11:32 am
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Every Body On The Field Is Under The Coaches Authority

I don't buy that.

Only the team is under the coaches authority.

 
Posted : October 29, 2010 11:39 am
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Every Body On The Field Is Under The Coaches Authority

The article linked is an opinion piece but based on what it says about what happened, the coach had a camera operator on a 50' lift in high winds in order to film the team in training, then it appears that Paul is correct; the coach was responsible for the safety of the camera crew.

 
Posted : October 29, 2010 7:56 pm
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Standard of Care

Standard of Care is an issue we should all be familiar with. It seems that the OSU coach showed us what that was when he kept his practice indoors, mentioning the safety of the cameramen, before this accident happened.

It may seem harsh, but I agree with Paul and Dave. As harsh as it is for Kelly and maybe Swarbrick to lose their jobs, this incident has been far more harsh to the young man who died and his family.

 
Posted : October 29, 2010 8:46 pm
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Standard of Care

would he be fired if a student had a heart attack, or struck by an out of the blue bolt of lightning? It's a tragedy, for sure, but doesn't that student bear any responsibility? I heard that he tweeted in the morning that it was going to be dangerous. Why not risk getting fired when you know you are in danger?

 
Posted : October 30, 2010 2:07 pm
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Standard of Care

The thing is the student did not have a heart attack or get struck by lightning; he fell off a lift which should not have been used in the conditions.

 
Posted : October 30, 2010 2:13 pm