> Note that they can't outrun a .17 Remington ...
They usually don't outrun Greyhounds, Wolfhounds, etc.
Well over 50 years ago we had a greyhound and a wolfhound. The greyhound was death to coyotes and nearly so to the wolfhound.
B-)
> Like it or not a lot of people have the shoot on sight mentality when it comes to coyotes. Watch one shred the family cat and you will understand why. There not doing anything they weren't born to do but talk to people that raise livestock.
I have seen what they will do to a cow whom they catch delivering a calf. There wasn't much left of the calf and the cow died too. They ate on her while she was still alive.
:-@
Hunter's Ethics
I understand where your coming from and I have seen similar things where I live, it's an old school tradition.
However, old timers take a lot for granted. Younger generations are watching public opinion manage wildlife rather than wildlife biologists.
These days, public opinion means everything.
If the public doesn't like what the ranchers are doing, they will simply pass a law that imposes a tax on beef that goes towards a fund to compensate the ranchers for their losses and outlaw the shooting of coyotes.
I simply look at it this way. In order to ensure traditions continue to be legal and accepted, you need as many people on that side of the fence as possible. That means a positive image must be projected when in public view.
As an example, you can stand around a buck while it's being field dressed with fellow hunters enjoy the moment. But when it comes time to share the moment with other potential non-hunters, you clean things up a little bit and take a picture from the best angle, if you know what I mean. You don't strap the buck to the hood of the truck and drive through town.
It has nothing to do with what's lawful. If you there is a good chance non-hunters may find it disgusting, yet it is legal to do, your moral ethics should guide you, that way we can hold the high ground.
Hunter's Ethics
http://www.bendbulletin.com/home/1692941-151/suit-tries-to-stop-coyote-hunt#
It's coming to a town near you.
Living in Texas, you will be the last to experience this trend.
Here in California, we are in the thick of it.
paden
Have you discussed this with the rooster?
My money says he's not quite on board with it yet...;-)
Hunter's Ethics
> Swaying "middle-of-the-road" sentiment was probably the farthest thing from his mind. I'd make a bet he could care less what anybody thinks. What good would attempting to sway anybody's sentiment do for him?
I wouldn't take that bet.
I have a few that need taking care of from time to time. I have other places to dispose of them other than along the highway.
I can verify that they do come running in quick to my foxpro caller. I can also verify they cannot outrun a .243 😉
paden
Throw in some hogs and me and my boys will come down and take care of em for you. Good excuse to buy some night vision gear. 😉
Hunter's Ethics
[sarcasm]Yes, it certainly appears to be working here. I mean they hung one and then the others they must of had to go kill miles away and bring here. [/sarcasm]Coyotes are just doing what they do. You put a smorgasbord in front of them and they are going to eat. I have no problem with hunting but respect the animals.
That reminds me of when I was 13 and on a wolf hunt with the neighbors. A set of Wolf ears fetched $50.
Something had attacked and killed a calf and night hunts were started to bring the culprit down.
Mike was calling on a rabbit reed in a watermelon patch while we were looking at a treeline for eyeballs. Nothing was happening for a long period so the cold put us on the road to the house.
Next night Mike was calling with his dad and one ran into his lap before he could stop calling and collect his gun. Both rolled around in the dirt and neither was harmed. His dad spilled his cup of coffee with gun sitting on a bale of hay.
A few weeks later a panther was caught in the act down the road and made his appearance laid out in the farmers truck to the local papers and on lookers around the County Seat square.
He did not fetch any bounty for his kill. The locals did bring forth BBQ and corn whisky to celebrate.
B-)
This past week, there were reports of coyotes in uptown New Orleans in the University area.
I was in the city this past weekend. I noticed the river was pretty high. I suspect that the coyotes were inhabiting the batture areas and drainage culverts and when the river rose, they ventured into the city to dine on local Mew Orleans kitties:-)
> I suspect that the coyotes were inhabiting the batture areas
I had never come across the word "batture" until last night while reading John McPhee's The Control of Nature. Funny that I'd encounter it again the very next day.
Hunter's Ethics
Is that a real picture (not doctored)? That's a lot of coyotes! Sheep is where they are really bad. Coyotes really like lamb chops. That many coyotes could undo a years lamb crop in just a few days.
They can run, I tried to run one down in a field with my truck a couple years ago. The field had edges (fences) where I couldn't go. I don't think the coyote was even scared.
They hunt them with airplanes and helicopters (the state) here for the sheep ranchers. They have a guy on the ground on horseback that gets them if the hole up. They'll never get em all, the coyote will still be here when we are gone.
Hunter's Ethics
exactly what predators do, take the weakest out of the herd. Everything has its place. I do not mind reducing their numbers to protect livestock at all, I am just saying that people should respect them. Hanging them in this manner is disgraceful. It serves no purpose, other than to sooth someone's inferiority complex.
My granddaughter's small dog was snatched away by a coyote a couple years ago. It happened during the day in the presence of several people, including her. It was at Camp Pendleton noncom officer housing near San Diego. Yes they are survivors (so are cockroaches) and they are closely related to our favorite friends the dog, but mostly they are dangerous varmints that need to be controlled. I know of areas near by where guys hang cat fish heads on their fence lines.... I don't think it makes the general public hate fishermen. I'm guessing where the carcasses were hung, 99% of the folks travelling by "get it". Maybe a few coyotes too.
Hunter's Ethics
> It is a well known fact in the rural areas, that if you shoot the coyote and hang it on the fence, the others will stay away. Why I don't know, but it works, trust me.
Seems to me that on the old POB board back in 2007-2008 Al Chace made the same argument regarding hanging a few investment bankers from light poles in lower Manhattan.
>...they ventured into the city to dine on local Mew Orleans kitties:-)
Washed down with a Dr. Nut, no doubt.
Once they get a 'taste' for the city, you will be hard pressed to get them to move on:
"Leaving New Orleans also frightened me considerably. Outside of the city limits the heart of darkness, the true wasteland begins."
- Ignatius Jacques Reilly
paden
> Have you discussed this with the rooster?
>
> My money says he's not quite on board with it yet...;-)
He's blind and can't understand my sign language. 🙂
paden
> Throw in some hogs and me and my boys will come down and take care of em for you. Good excuse to buy some night vision gear. 😉
We keep the hogs thinned out. My neighbors have hog dogs and I let him train them running across our farm.
Hunter's Ethics
> > It is a well known fact in the rural areas, that if you shoot the coyote and hang it on the fence, the others will stay away. Why I don't know, but it works, trust me.
>
> Seems to me that on the old POB board back in 2007-2008 Al Chace made the same argument regarding hanging a few investment bankers from light poles in lower Manhattan.
James,
I do believe you are correct. Sometimes I actually agree with Al on things other than surveying. This was one of them.
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